QuoteYou consider O'Connor to be one of the top three goalies in the league?!Originally Posted by Anto McC
Mick Devine,Barry Ryan and Chris O'Connor are all better than Murphy.
Dan Connor and Dean Delany are as good as him!
You consider O'Connor to be one of the top three goalies in the league?!
Barry Murphy has been the best keeper I've seen playing for Rovers in the last 15 years. I don't think we can call him the best in the Eircom leagues yet as he hasn't played enough games but I certainly would not swap him for any of the other keepers out there right now.
Anto, being a Rovers fan I'm pretty confident that I've seen Baz and Barry Ryan play a lot more times than you have and there is absolutely no way that Ryan is a better keeper.
How the hell have the Bohs and Rovers fans convinced themselves that their parochial derby is the tie of the round ? Let's just look at this with a vague degree of objectivity.
Shels v City = 1st v 2nd in terms of league places.
Bohs v Rovers = 9th v a team from the lower division.
To drive the point further - it's the Irish equivalent of Chelsea v Man Utd being up against West Ham v Reading. Which of those would you describe as tie of the round......?
And that's without even going into the quality of football (and therefore viewing spectacle) the 2 ties are likely to generate.
So explain to me again how the parochial Dublin derby could ever realistically be considered tie of the round ????
With all due respect, how the **** can you compare Bohs v the scum to the above?
Are they even local rivals.
I think it's gonna be a 'rip-roaring Dublin derby with no quarter asked and none given'! ie: excellent TV entertainment, excellent atmosphere at the match. (I sound like Brian Hamilton now)
Will the Shels v Derry crowd even break 2,000?
Sorry Shels and Derry fans but on the crowd score he has a point!
Well if the FAI rigged the draw properly they should have had us at home for a big crowdSorry Shels and Derry fans but on the crowd score he has a point!
Crowd won't make any discernable difference to the TV spectacle. Both will be played in stadiums that are majority empty. Whetehr Dalymount is slightly less empty than Tolka is meaningless. In fact - you could justifiably argue that Dalymount will look worse, with the large swathe of closed terraces. Viewers will just see it as empty space.With all due respect, how the **** can you compare Bohs v the scum to the above?
Are they even local rivals.
I think it's gonna be a 'rip-roaring Dublin derby with no quarter asked and none given'! ie: excellent TV entertainment, excellent atmosphere at the match. (I sound like Brian Hamilton now)
Will the Shels v Derry crowd even break 2,000?
Being local rivals again has got feck all to do with it. The biggest games in England for years have been Man U v Arsenal, Man U v Liverpool , Chelsea v Man U etc. None of them are neighbours, and all have been to do with league standings. Meanwhile, West Ham and Charlton are local rivals (East v South-East London), and that's the relative quality of teams we're talking about.
Take off the Bohs-tinted glasses - the days of a Bohs v Rovers match over-shadowing ties between topped-placed teams are long over I'm afraid....
1. The game is in Tolka NOT Dalyer!
2. I'd expect a crowd of around 5,000 - 6,000 which will make the stadium over half full!
3. England, England, EnglandThis is Ireland, use comparisons that we are familiar with FFS.
4. Being local rivals is what makes this game what it is.
Your talking through your hole there dcfcsteve!!!
Yes I think Bohs and Rovers between them have won the FAI Cup something like 34 times. SO history would be on the side of this being the tie of the round.
Have to agree with bohsfans on this one. Why the **** are we using a comparison with a country of 60million people and 80 odd professional clubs?
Our derby will have the biggest crowd and will attract the most media interest. The Derry game will have the best quality football so it depends on what criteria you want to judge the biggest game on but I'd definitely go with the one that creates the most interest in our domestic game.
At least someone i giving the Shels v Derry game some credit anyway.
Comparisons to England make perfect sense in showing how daft it is to consider Rovers v Bohs a bigger game than the top of the table clash. If you'd rather I used a smaller country, it would've been like saying St Mirren versus someone like Aberdeen was a bigger game for TV than Celtic v Hearts. The size of country I use in these examples is irrelevant - they are just to give it some perspective to show how TG4's choice is strange.
Usually, choices in deciding which game to televise live are made on the basis of general interest. Not just interest amongst the very small EL fan market/Dublin taxi drivers - but wider interest. As the quality of football will be better between Shels and City, you could reasonably argue it is likely to attract and more importantly retain a larger audience than Rovers v Bohs (though I could be wrong, as this is moot). Regardless - the choise is not made because of some expectation with regards the attendance. You've admitted that the football will be better at the Shels City game, and the crowd better at the other, though the crowd will be neither spectacular nor even noteworthy at either match, so can't be considered a significant factor in the decision. The football is what the cameras look at for 90mins - not the crowd. So why should a channel choose to neglect showing the better game in favour of one with an insignificantly (in outright terms) bigger attendance ?? This is what I find strange.
You really think you know it all dont you?
St Mirren!!!
You seem to already know what the football will be like in both games, while your looking into your crystal ball could you tell me who wins the game? Cheers.
Jesus you win the league cup and all of a sudden Londonderry are the Man Utd or Celtic of the league
Rovers Bohs always has and will be bigger than any game Londonderry are involved in
I've presented a rational arguement for why I think the tie of the round is Shels v Derry, and therefore why I'm surprised another game is being televised over it. Within that arguement I've admitted and accepted that I may be wrong.You really think you know it all dont you?
St Mirren!!!
You seem to already know what the football will be like in both games, while your looking into your crystal ball could you tell me who wins the game? Cheers.
Your response to back up your alternate view ? Snide comments.
Says it all really....
Dcfcsteve, Bohs and Shamrock Rovers is the rivalry in the LOI. I don't think you can make English comparisons as I think the ever increasing foreign and non-local domestic fanbase of the large English clubs has eroded the importance of local rivalries.
I'll have one last go at this.
Poor Student - the TV stations don'rt give a feck about the EL's parochial little rivalries when they choose which game to screen. The league doesn't have enough fans to make screening a game solely to them worthwhile, and not enough other people know or care about our rivalries. Do you think the average football 'fan' in the street really knows that Bohs v Rovers is the biggest rivalry in EL football ?? I seriously doubt they do.
The channels therefore show games that are likely to attract and hold the attention of ordinary football fans/viewers for 2 hrs, so they can maximise their ad revenue. Most of those Joe Average viewers will know feck all about petty inter-league rivalries. They just want to watch what they hope will be an entertaining and quality game of football.
The rivalry may provide the entertainment factor (though rivalries are often just as likely to be ugly and unentertaining games). However, for the quality that viewers will seek, channels have to make an educated guess in advance on what games can provide this. And the Shels v Derry game is much more likely to provide the highest quality of game in that round.
Steve, I see where you're coming from. I think if non-eL fans would know only one rivalry (and that's not to say many do) then it's this one. If someone doesn't know about the Bohs v Rovers rivalry then they're hardly going to be able to name the two teams at the top of the table anyway. If you're then going to go on what makes the better spectacle on screen then a big crowd at Tolka with some derby atmosphere is as good as anything to draw in the audience. You can argue for the merits of either game but a dull affair could transpire for either. Often the most boring game is televised from the round of fixtures of the week. We'll only be able to judge for sure what was the right choice after the matches have taken place.
If you want to watch quality football, watch Serie A or La Liga. If you want to watch thrill-a-minute, car crash football, this game is for you. Derry v Shels has already been shown twice on tv this season, in the Setanta Cup. I watched both matches, and they were both boring, dull affairs. So it's time for a change. TG4, like most Irish people know the game that will attract the most hype, most interest, and give the viewers what they want. An open, entertaining, end-to-end, atmospheric grudge match. Shels-Derry is not that game.
The Rovers-Bohs game is a poor team in 9th position, against a flying side three places below them in the ladder. It isn't quite like a game between Monaghan and Cork, you know.
Last edited by mypost; 07/08/2006 at 12:11 AM.
Silly thread. TG4 were showing the game that was originally planned for the Friday night. Think about it.
Anyway, the Rovers V Bohs match is the tie of the round.
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