Quotegreat news
Apparently the priest has just signed the lease of Hogan Park to the FAI.
See here:
http://www.irishfootballonline.com/n...hp?newsid=5099
If you don't like John 3:7...
There's always Limerick 37!
great news
Fantastic...the power of PR....
If true then this is the best outcome bar none for senior football in the city.
Unfortunately I wouldn't believe that man's radio at this stage so I'll wait for the official announcement. But I am a lot happier today than I was yesterday.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Just spoke to someone I know in Merrion Sq and YES he has agreed to sign the lease over to Limerick and the FAI. It is now in the hands of solicitors.
Nothing signed yet though, and you know solicitors....
It isn't the solicitors I'm worried about. He agreed to sign a lease before and look where we are. Anyway, its good news.Originally Posted by joeSoap
Time to call off the anti-Joe chants too I think.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
A note of Caution : Lets just wait and See Shall we. Manys a slip and all that !.
How does this all impact DD now ? Will he still be in charge ? Will the Priest be invoved (Celestial Beings Help us)
Will there be a new management Committee?
All to play for yet I'D Say
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
This seems like good news on the face of it- but 25 years is a bit short. Maybe it'll work out fine in that the current trustees will be gone and someone more amenable to the club's interests in their place- but maybe not.
I still think Limerick should seriously consider moving- if at all practical.
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
Well Said Galway Harps.
I am surprised at some of the positive reactions to this development.
The Moving of the Lease to the FAI is a slap in the face to Limerick FC.
Danny has ploughed money into the club and has lived off Promises for the last 3 Years regarding this ground and now they give the lease to another Group.
First off 25 years is too short. We are now Tennants in the Ground not Leaseholders. We will have less rights than we have now. What happens when the Current trustees are gone and we have invested a shed load of money into the Ground?
I know thet the FAI are looking at Centres of Excellence around the Country but does this include LOI Clubs ? If so will we have to share our Grounds again ?
This is the time,IMO, to move to a new Ground. Develop it ourselves and leave all the Fr Joe's Cronies behind us. Rathbane is not a great site, Understatement of the Year, and I cannot see us being successful there.
Why did Fr. Joe not give the lease to us ? There is more to this than we know yet I feel and I Think we should excercise Caution on any dealings with a new Grouping and that includes the FAI.
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
Can't agree with you on this JohnD. I think if it pans out as reported it is the best possible outcome. First off, we don't know if the lease is 25 years but if it is that is long enough to get a decent ground built and no way would planning change once a stadium is built on the site. Also, if the lease was given to JRM Ltd then DD would have the lease and if he decided to leave in the coming years then the club would have to deal with him and we are back in the same situation.
We are tenants of the FAI - not a property company. There is a big difference. There is no need for LFC to own its own ground - very few eL clubs do. But as tenants go the FAI would surely be first choice.
I don't know what you are basing Joe's potential involvement on. Why would he become involved? The FAI want a strong Limerick FC - they really do - so they will help us. Also, in terms of investing a shed load of money into the ground - it is the FAI's money - not ours (or the clubs). If the FAI want to develop a centre of excellence then let them use Rathbane as the mid-west base. That can only strengthen the club.
The FAI being tenants also hastens the departure of Hill Celtic IMO. Which is good.
As regards the signing over to FAI instead of DD - my feeling is that words may have been said by an irate DD and that put Joe's nose out of joint. I have no reason for this except knowledge of the personalities involved.
Of course I am still cautious until everything is signed sealed and delivered but I see absolutely no downside whatsoever in the FAI being our landlords. And if it is agreed then I believe this is one of the greatest days in the history of senior football in the city.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
A 25 year lease gives an automatic rigth of renewal. Irish land law provides a rigth of renewal on any lease over 5 years (which is why the current one is not more than 5 years). Which essentially means a 25 year lease is indefinite.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Good points are:
- Potential for a proper stadium
- Development in conjunction with FAI, means it mightn't be all our own money ploughed in.
- Which gives us breathing space to develop the team/club.
- Potential base for Centre of Excellence - can only benefit us. We have the NTC out in UL in Limerick too.
- FAI are sound tennants with our best interests at heart.
- Worst case scenario in future would be Drew walking away (anything is possible in Limerick football). With FAI as tennants at least we don't have to worry about the ground.
Bad Points:
- 25 years is not enough. Leaving ourselves open to more uncertainty in the future.
- As I said in another thread, and JohnD here, What happens if the current trustees are no longer alive/involved in the future?
- Will Danny Drew be happy with this outcome?
Overall, I'm all for it considering the situation we're in. I think young is offering it to the FAI to spite Drew, for whatever reasons. It's like saying you can have your cake Danny, but you can't eat it.... I still firmly believe that we would be better off out of the place and start somewhere else, but reality means we can't afford it. It looks like this is our lot, and it's not bad if we get a proper stadium out of it. The area around Rathbane is improving slightly with the hotel development and the future housing development. Hopefully in a few years it'll be a lot more attractive than it is now, and we'll have a decent ground in the middle of it.
As I said above 25 years is essentially an indefinite lease because it has an automatic right of renewal. So it doesn't matter who is no longer alive/involved in 25 years - the owners of the land will have to renew.
Who cares?
I think you're right. But that doesn't make it a bad outcome.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Well Danny Drew is still our chairman and the one who is bank rolling the club, not the FAI! Is it part of his business plan to be a tennant?
Apparantly Young signed it to the FAI to secure the future of all levels of football in the city, according to the Limerick Independent today. What that means I don't know, but it sounds like we could have our own version of Turnes Cross, with the ground acting as a football headquarters for Limerick. So maybe lots of Junior/Schoolboy finals to be held there as well? Could the LDMC be brought on board if that's the case? Hard to say at the moment....
Probably not, but there is no other viable alternative. He was always going to be a tenant anyway, the only difference now is that the FAI is the landlord now, not Joe Young or Peter Hogan.
Surely that can only serve to benefit the game all round. It certainly hasn't done any harm to Cork City's fortunes in Turners Cross. The concerns of all of us were that the club would not have a long term home. Now it will have. It might have financial implications for the success financially of JRM Sports, but to be quite honest, I don't think anybody really gives a damn, apart from those at JRM Sports. The fans first and foremost want to have a club with a solid future, now we can have it. Thats the most important issue.The ball now is very much in Danny Drews court,. He has been thrown a huge lifeline whereby Limerick FC can prosper. If his ambitions and love for Limerick FC are as true as he says they are, he will grab it and prosper.If he starts a crusade, then we will see that they are probably selfish.
I think it's great news, relatively speaking. The FAI are likely to want to improve the grounds just as much as Limerick FC are, the FAI will have financial clout to improve facilities in almost every way, from pitches to security.
On the other hand, it might mean that Limerick have to allow other teams part-use the facilities, but on the whole, that should only improve the standard of football in the entire area.
At present Hill Celtic also use the facilities - and they play a lot more matches on it than would be the case if LDMC finals etc are played on it.
Also, 4tothefloor says we might end up with our own verison of Turners Cross - well, I dream of Limerick FC playing in a replica Turners Cross in Limerick.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Nah, we'll have a better ground than the langersAlso, 4tothefloor says we might end up with our own verison of Turners Cross - well, I dream of Limerick FC playing in a replica Turners Cross in Limerick.
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