Muppet Fenlon to play for a draw with 4-5-1 again

**Shelsman** · 22/06/2006, 12:51 PM

Can you believe it! I read in the 'Mirror' today that Fenlon will be playing

4-5-1

in the second ( HOME! ) leg against Vetra on Saturday.

HAS HE LEARNT NOTHING!?!?!

If we lose this game then he should definitely go. If I were in Dublin I'd be tempted NOT to go to the game. The thought of seeing Shels hammer the ball up to a lone striker for 90mins sickens me.
All this achieves is giving the ball straight to the opposition and then the team lives on a wing and a prayer, hoping the opposition don't score while we chase them round trying to get the ball back again - only to give it away again

seconds later.

In European ( if not all ) soccer, possession is everything.

Surely the stlye in which we beat Glentoran home and away by playing two up front is proof that the players we have can play proper football?????

**Poor Student** · 22/06/2006, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by Shelsman

If we lose this game then he should definitely go.

He is owed a lot of money, has a lengthy contract and you're short on cash. He's going nowhere unless he chooses. I agree with you though, his European tactics are tiresome, repetitive and negative.

**higgins** · 22/06/2006, 4:03 PM

At least he has European tactics

**Poor Student** · 22/06/2006, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

At least he has European tactics

Higgins, do you not want to have any proper debate on his European tactics? Getting into Europe doesn't mean the rest of us can't observe your tactics.

**LeixlipRed** · 22/06/2006, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by Shelsman

Can you believe it! I read in the 'Mirror' today that Fenlon will be playing

No I can't believe it. The Mirror that is. Wait until the game is over and you've actually seen what tactics he employs. And Fenlon is going nowhere

**Sniffer** · 22/06/2006, 5:05 PM

Wouldn't surprise me in the least, this is classic Fenlon, the most fear addled manager in the league. Everyone says he has the best squad yet every time Shels secure a lead they retreat into their Shel, inevitably until they concede. Then they attack and show veryone what they are capable of, it must drive the players nutsy as well, constantly being kept on a leash.

**higgins** · 22/06/2006, 5:06 PM

Ok lets Debate it ....

Person A: I think 4-5-1 is boring too and would go 4-4-2

Person B: But he has had the leagues best ever results with 4-5-1

Person A: Your right but I think these are weak enough to get at with 4-4-2

Person B: But if its not broke dont try fix it

Person A: But other then Deportivo has the 4-5-1 really worked? I mean it was 4-4-2 when we came from two down and drew with Lille.

Person B: Whos to tell what score it may have been if we went at them from the start, it could have been another joke of an EL performance.

Person A: True but its a one trick pony and against the good sides wont be good enough to beat them over two legs, they adapt same as Lille did nad we were lucky it wasnt 7-0 over there.

Person B: So you think a 4-4-2 will beat a good side!

Person A: No Im not saying that but surely you have to vary your tactics.

Person B: Well Im not the manager who has masterminded the leagues best european result am I!!! and dont call me surely!!

**Risteard** · 24/06/2006, 3:27 PM

Person B sounds like a dope.

**thejollyrodger** · 25/06/2006, 8:44 AM

4 -0 with 4-5-1... must have worked

**Anto McC** · 25/06/2006, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

He is owed a lot of money, has a lengthy contract and you're short on cash. He's going nowhere unless he chooses. I agree with you though, his European tactics are tiresome, repetitive and negative.

Have you got any evidence whatsoever to back up all these claims you are making?

**Poor Student** · 25/06/2006, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anto McC

Have you got any evidence whatsoever to back up all these claims you are making?

Lengthy contract, well that's public knowledge. You gave him 5 or 6 years recently. Owed money, seems to be common knowledge. Unable to pay players wages on time and the printers seems to hint you're short of cash or certainly the kind of cash to pay off such a long contract.

**Raheny Red** · 25/06/2006, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

4 -0 with 4-5-1... must have worked

Well, when they were down to 9 Nutsy brought Jayo on for Creepy, this meant a 3-5-2 formation but at times it seemed more like a 5-3-2

**EnDai** · 25/06/2006, 3:12 PM

He brought on Gary Deegan (U21 midfielder) who played wide left, and Ollie Cahill pushed back to left back. So it was a standard 4-4-2 then.

@ Alan Reynolds trying to score from 25/30 yards!

**Anto McC** · 26/06/2006, 5:52 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

Lengthy contract, well that's public knowledge. You gave him 5 or 6 years recently. Owed money, seems to be common knowledge. Unable to pay players wages on time and the printers seems to hint you're short of cash or certainly the kind of cash to pay off such a long contract.

Have you got any actual evidence,or is it all just hear say or "common knowledge" as you like to refer to it as?

**Drumcondra Red** · 27/06/2006, 12:08 PM

No evidence whatsoever, just listening to the usual shyte spouted on by probably Boez fans...

**Poor Student** · 28/06/2006, 8:26 AM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red

No evidence whatsoever, just listening to the usual shyte spouted on by probably Boez fans...

Sure, that's it, the Bohs fans made it all up.

**Rory H** · 28/06/2006, 11:38 AM

top of the league,in the next round of the intertoto the league and the fai cup and the fans want him sacked??

**higgins** · 28/06/2006, 12:08 PM

Who wants him sacked

....

as you said our season is going very very well*

League
Intertoto
FAI Cup
League Cup

* apart from the players walking out and ollie running off with the cash and all our team signing for drogheda next week.

**A face** · 28/06/2006, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Risteard

Person B sounds like a dope.

Hah ah !!

**Shelsman** · 28/06/2006, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by wild rover

top of the league,in the next round of the intertoto the league and the fai cup and the fans want him sacked??

I think the big question is....... given the same squad and resources, would another manager do better? Maybe, maybe not. My big issue is that when we go to play bigger clubs in Europe that we chicken out and play 4-5-1 long ball, which at best might get us a draw, but will definitely be horrendous and heart breaking to sit through. Eoin Hand is very critical of this approach too -and he would know a thing or two.