Provisional Driving Licence

**Ash** · 26/07/2006, 9:55 AM

Just wondering if you can get penalty points on a provisional driving licence?

I got a provisional licence ages ago and done a few lessons and all that but
never really got the hang of it. Thinking of giving it another go so just wondering
if I get points if i fcuk up?

**Dodge** · 26/07/2006, 10:01 AM

Yep, Miss Dodge got points for speeding on her provisional. She's got a full license now and they carry across.

**Terry** · 26/07/2006, 10:16 AM

theres even more penalty points on offer for provisional license drivers than there is for drivers with a full license, i.e. unless you are on your second provisional you cannot driver without an accompying person who has the full licence.etc,etc...

**NeilMcD** · 26/07/2006, 11:28 AM

They should get rid of the provisional in the first place. you should not be allowed on the road until you have passed your test in my view.

**Dodge** · 26/07/2006, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

They should get rid of the provisional in the first place. you should not be allowed on the road until you have passed your test in my view.

Ridiculous comment.

**pete** · 26/07/2006, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

They should get rid of the provisional in the first place. you should not be allowed on the road until you have passed your test in my view.

You not be allowed to drive with provisional unsupervised. This is common in most Western countries. The irish situation is ludicrous - foreigners laugh when informed but hardly needs any debate.

**noby** · 26/07/2006, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by pete

You not be allowed to drive with provisional unsupervised. This is common in most Western countries. The irish situation is ludicrous - foreigners laugh when informed but hardly needs any debate.

You aren't, with your first and third (at least that was the situation before).

It's the non-enforcement of it that's laughable.

**pete** · 26/07/2006, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by noby

You aren't, with your first and third (at least that was the situation before).

Why should there be a difference between 2nd & 3rd provisional?

Logic seems to be that on 2nd provisional you can drive unsupervised as only failed test once but its ok on 3rd provisional because now failed the test twice.

**noby** · 26/07/2006, 12:35 PM

You can have two provisional licences before you have to sit the test.
First - New inexperienced river
Second - Two years experience - ok to drive on your own
Third - Failed the test.

This is what I think the thinking behind it is; that's not to say I agree with it.
Maybe it's all changed since I had a provisional, though (about 6 or so years ago)

**Dodge** · 26/07/2006, 12:42 PM

Provisional last for 2 years and you don't have to sit a test after the first one. The other point worth noting is the waiting time for tests. if they got that down to manageable timeframe, amybe they could look at tightening up.

**osarusan** · 26/07/2006, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

They should get rid of the provisional in the first place. you should not be allowed on the road until you have passed your test in my view.

Just to compare with the situation over here in Japan............

There is no provisional licence system. So it is impossible to (legally) get any experience on the road before getting a full licence.

There are two ways to get a licence...........

First way : You go and take a driving test just like most countries. (only problem is they routinely fail about 90% of applicants)

Second way : Go to a driving school and take 20 to 30 lessons, each contaning a certain skill to be mastered. Once you have successfully completed the school's course, you are given a certificate which means you no longer need to take the practical part of the driving test. This is how about 95% of people get a licence. Only problem...............the course will cost at least 2,500 euros.

My one regret before comng here is not getting a licence at home.

(oh, and not studying any Japanese!!)

**Block G Raptor** · 26/07/2006, 2:18 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

Second way : Go to a driving school and take 20 to 30 lessons, each contaning a certain skill to be mastered. Once you have successfully completed the school's course, you are given a certificate which means you no longer need to take the practical part of the driving test. This is how about 95% of people get a licence. Only problem...............the course will cost at least 2,500 euros.

Yep them Japanese certainly have great common sense. altough the price is a bit steep. Something along these lines should be implemented here

**Macy** · 26/07/2006, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

Yep them Japanese certainly have great common sense. altough the price is a bit steep. Something along these lines should be implemented here

The cost of insuring a sh�te 1l micra? Seems reasonable to me.

**Block G Raptor** · 27/07/2006, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

The cost of insuring a sh�te 1l micra? Seems reasonable to me.

Yep and you'll be paying out the 2.5 grand around the same time as insuring(and probably buying)your sh1t 1.0 Micra it all adds up to a hefty payout either way. unless it were to be made compulsory cant see to many people going for it at that price. 10 lessons with a driving instructor costs around 300 quid

**Lionel Ritchie** · 27/07/2006, 3:36 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

Just to compare with the situation over here in Japan............

There is no provisional licence system. So it is impossible to (legally) get any experience on the road before getting a full licence.

There are two ways to get a licence...........

First way : You go and take a driving test just like most countries. (only problem is they routinely fail about 90% of applicants)

Second way : Go to a driving school and take 20 to 30 lessons, each contaning a certain skill to be mastered. Once you have successfully completed the school's course, you are given a certificate which means you no longer need to take the practical part of the driving test. This is how about 95% of people get a licence. Only problem...............the course will cost at least 2,500 euros.

My one regret before comng here is not getting a licence at home.

(oh, and not studying any Japanese!!)

Sounds like they have it by the balls to me.

No bad thing to lighten any prospective new drivers wallet by 2 or 3 grand. Might make them lower their sights a little in terms of what class of vehicle they're looking to buy.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 27/07/2006, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

Just to compare with the situation over here in Japan............

There is no provisional licence system. So it is impossible to (legally) get any experience on the road before getting a full licence.

There are two ways to get a licence...........

First way : You go and take a driving test just like most countries. (only problem is they routinely fail about 90% of applicants)

Second way : Go to a driving school and take 20 to 30 lessons, each contaning a certain skill to be mastered. Once you have successfully completed the school's course, you are given a certificate which means you no longer need to take the practical part of the driving test. This is how about 95% of people get a licence. Only problem...............the course will cost at least 2,500 euros.

My one regret before comng here is not getting a licence at home.

(oh, and not studying any Japanese!!)

Sounds like they have it by the balls to me.

No bad thing to lighten any prospective new drivers wallet by 2 or 3 grand. Might make them lower their sights a little in terms of what class of vehicle they're looking to buy.

**NeilMcD** · 28/07/2006, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Ridiculous comment.

Sorry how is that a ridculous comment. It is ridieculour that in this country you can fail a test that is there to determine if you can drive or not, andyou can drive out the door afterwards even thoug you have failed it. You should not be on the road if you have not passed the test. I have not passed my test or do I drive so I am not commenting from a smug position as its all ahead of me. But if we had a system like Japan where you had to to lessons at school maybe or you learn to drive that way and you are fully educated before you set foot on the road. Here you can just get the provisional and drive away and the way it is policed means you dont really need a passanger beside you. This is leading to more road accidents that otherwise occur.

**pete** · 28/07/2006, 5:47 PM

The driving test is a poor test of ability so if you cannot even pass that doesn't say much for ability & should not be driving unaccompanied.

Government should advertise for driving testers tomorrow, double the numbers as there is huge demand & no chance not be suitable busy. If the unions moan tell them to p!ss off & sack them.

**Roverstillidie** · 31/07/2006, 6:01 PM

the government have an embargo on new driving testers, like all civil servants.

but its easier to somehow blame the unions isnt it pete.

**osarusan** · 01/08/2006, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

Yep them Japanese certainly have great common sense. altough the price is a bit steep. Something along these lines should be implemented here

To be honest, the sandard of driving still isnt great here, although there are very few fatal accidents.

There are a lot of "how did that idiot ever get a licence" comments but you get those in every country.