Cascarino on O'Leary: "I just don't like him"

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 4:14 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

May be plainly obvious to you..........

KOH

Give examples please of where I have behaved like a wind up merchant.

**NY Hoop** · 01/08/2006, 4:32 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Give examples please of where I have behaved like a wind up merchant.

You have got to be joking. You think I have the time you obviously have here?

KOH

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 4:37 PM

I knew it woudl come down to something personal. Could you not please try to stay on topic and debate the issue that is at hand. IF you are going to make personal remarks about me please back it up with evidence otherwise please retract what you have said about me.

**geysir** · 01/08/2006, 4:45 PM

t shoudl be plainly obvious that I am not a wind up merchangt. I wish the same could be said for many of the people who post on this thread and others.

I would like to know the names of all the wind-up merchants who have posted on this thread. It's time for "this sort of thing" to be stamped out.

**hoops1** · 01/08/2006, 4:48 PM

"The game is full of players who have played at various levels who dont cut it out tactically or emotionally as a manager"

From a man who thinks Andy Reid should play centre mid for ireland
Amazing

**geysir** · 01/08/2006, 5:16 PM

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=3799
Cas is competing proudly under the Irish flag to this day.

**RogerMilla** · 01/08/2006, 7:48 PM

lmao geysir , that is hilarious , tricolour flying proudly !!
guys let's not get too wound up with each other , lets just agree that o'leary has made a bit of a mess of his management career ( insert your own degree of mess....) , that both gave their all in the green , and agree to disagree on cas's journalistic talents!!

**Scram** · 02/08/2006, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Cascarino is a crap journalist, manager, player and person.

No he isn't, no he isn't !!

He's alright as a journalist, not a great manager yet but may be, who knows, he seems like an alrgiht bloke and his tips on Setanta are spot on

And O'Leary is a sh!te manager...MR Excuses. �120m spent at Leeds and every week "we need more depth in the squad, the lads are young and developing, but I'm doing a great job with what I have"

**NeilMcD** · 03/08/2006, 9:52 AM

I love the fact that people actually believe someone who has managed at the highest level is a worse manager than someone who has never managed at any level. Sometimes people opinions make my mind boggle but everybody is entitled to their opinion which is the whole point of this forum and long may it continue.

**wws** · 03/08/2006, 9:57 AM

how the fcx is managing Aston Villa to Premiership anonymity equated with managing at the "highest level"

has he won la liga...no
has he done anything at international level.....no
has he won seria a....no
has he won a european trophy....no

he has not managed at the highest level

oh i forgot - the "semi final" appearance (in which he overstretched a small club to the point of near oblivion - great work there dave - and than absolved himself of all blame)

O leary is a shammer

**Dodge** · 03/08/2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I love the fact that people actually believe someone who has managed at the highest level is a worse manager than someone who has never managed at any level. Sometimes people opinions make my mind boggle but everybody is entitled to their opinion which is the whole point of this forum and long may it continue.

Who said Cascirino was a better manager? Nobody can say one way or the other. Anyone who said O'Leary is better is talking rubbish too...

**Emmet** · 03/08/2006, 10:30 AM

Yeah - you can't really just look at the Champions League semi and say that was all he achieved at Leeds ... what happened after that was far more significant and it is something that football club are still recovering from and will be recovering from for a good few years yet. You still haven't explained why - if O'Leary is so good - he has failed to win anything as a manager? The acid test, like wws says, is about putting your medals on the table ... and as a manager he has won exactly the same as Cascarino. The only difference is that in the process of winning nothing, Cascarino has not spent over �120 Million, he has not relegated and nearly bankrupted a club with a very strong history in English football, and his actions have not led to hundreds of staff being made redundant.

**OwlsFan** · 03/08/2006, 11:00 AM

To be fair to O'Leary that's not his responsibility as a manager. That's his employers' responsibility. All managers look for money to spend - it's up to the Board to give the money or to say no. He would have been the first manager in history to say "No thanks. I don't want the money to spend".

The Leeds Board of the time almost destroyed the club by giving him the money to spend - not O'Leary.

I am no fan of O'Leary but that allegation can't justifiably be laid as his door.

**Emmet** · 03/08/2006, 11:36 AM

He would have almost certainly given verbal assurances that he would re-pay that investment with on-field success though ... yes, the initial spending was not directly due to him but his failure to spend it effectively was. Leeds would have been lucky to see a quarter of that �120 Million through O'Leary's achievements there.

**NeilMcD** · 03/08/2006, 11:36 AM

Good post Owls fan anybody who who does not undestand that point clearly does not know how a football club is run. It is not the job of the football manager or coach to look at the financial aspect of things. They have far too much on their plate. Many of them dont even get involved in the discussion of fees or wages etc.

David O Leary had Leeds finishing in the top 5 consistantly something all of his predecessors failed to do other than Don Revie with the great Leeds team. They are not a club that naturally belongs in that part of the table but he had them there. Wilkinson won the league with them but Leeds nearly got relegated soon after that.

Aston Villa did well for O Learys 1st 2 years in charge but he had a bad season last year. He had Villa finishing 7th one of the seasons. The reason so many fans did not like him at Villa was his his major failing and that is in his dealings with the media. He comes across as smug and aloof from the players and the fans. I think this is his one major flaw and will hinder him throughout his managerial career.

**drinkfeckarse** · 03/08/2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Emmet

, he has not relegated and nearly bankrupted a club with a very strong history in English football, and his actions have not led to hundreds of staff being made redundant.

...either has O' Leary's, Risdale's actions did. The club were relegated long after O' Leary had gone and the Chairman was responsible for the erratic spending thus endangering all those jobs.

**Dodge** · 03/08/2006, 11:56 AM

Of course O'Leary's not responsible for them being relegated BUT the fact he was given an open chequebook and still managed to win nothing is ablack mark for his managerial skills. Add in the disgusting expoitation of the Bowyer/Woodgate trail book and you'll find he's not popular with Leeds fans either.

**wws** · 03/08/2006, 12:00 PM

Leeds not a natural top 6 English team??!?

your having a laugh - one of the biggest English cities
and until O Leary rode them rock solid their pedigree and standing in the game had few peers

**NeilMcD** · 03/08/2006, 12:59 PM

Looking The English league since ints foundation and I think you will find they have finished outside the top 6 more times than they have not. They have spent large periods in the 2nd tier also.

**Dodge** · 03/08/2006, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Looking The English league since ints foundation and I think you will find they have finished outside the top 6 more times than they have not. They have spent large periods in the 2nd tier also.

Name me 6 bigger clubs than Leeds. Historically speaking. I can only think of Liverpool, Everton and Man Utd. Probably Arsenal. At a push Aston Villa. No bodody else would be bigger.