Cascarino on O'Leary: "I just don't like him"

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 2:09 PM

Sorry but if Leeds were coming 4th and getting to Champions League semi finals now they would be pretty happy. They do not have a divine right to win anything and finishing 4th for a couple of seaons and getting to the champions league is pretty good I woudl have thought.

Also what is the difference between the profile made on Ferdinand to the profit made on Carrick. Also Robbie keane, Rio Ferdinand Paul Robinson Alan Smith, Harry Kewel were hardly old players either so I think the comparison is fair, in fact the difference is that O Leary achieved more than Jol has. Again it is not the managers job to manage the budget. He identifies the player and the Chairman or General Manager looks after the financial negotiations.

Also Villa had to say that O Leary had nothing to do with the statement released by the players, so that was just rumour from the press on that one.

**drinkfeckarse** · 01/08/2006, 2:22 PM

Villa's words were that they could not find anything to link him to the statement, not that he had nothing to do with it. I took that to mean they thought he did possibly have something to do with it but they couldn't prove it.

It doesn't take a genius to work that out especially considering they gave him his cards on the same day.

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 2:26 PM

Innocent until proven guilty I am afraid. I will treat him as innocent like I would anybody in any civilised society where this principle is held up as a point of law. If you want to believe innuendo so be it.

**wws** · 01/08/2006, 2:29 PM

he's guilty of nothing more than being a crap manager and thats why they sacked him. end of

**drinkfeckarse** · 01/08/2006, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by wws

he's guilty of nothing more than being a crap manager and thats why they sacked him. end of

If it was only that he would have been sacked long before and not the day after their internal investigation ended....but yes the fact he was a crap manager had a baring on it

**NY Hoop** · 01/08/2006, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by wws

Cas is a fully qualified hairdresser as well.

O'Leary isn't.

Neil calling Cas a low life is going too far IMO.

He wrote the most honest autobiography I have ever read and laid it all out. Did he make mistakes in his personal life? Absolutely but who hasnt?

He's the only ex pro I read exactly because he tells it like it is.

Has it occured to you that he might not want to go into management and that he has a right to comment on other managers because of his experiences?

So Cas doesnt like DOL. Big deal. In my book they were great servants to Ireland and never let their country down.

He probably didnt sign your programme when you were a kid.

Dont judge a book by its cover.

KOH

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Neil calling Cas a low life is going too far IMO.

He wrote the most honest autobiography I have ever read and laid it all out. Did he make mistakes in his personal life? Absolutely but who hasnt?

He's the only ex pro I read exactly because he tells it like it is.

Has it occured to you that he might not want to go into management and that he has a right to comment on other managers because of his experiences?

So Cas doesnt like DOL. Big deal. In my book they were great servants to Ireland and never let their country down.

He probably didnt sign your programme when you were a kid.

Dont judge a book by its cover.

KOH

Just cause someone makes money by writing a book about how they were a low life previously does not mean they are suddenly ok and a sound blocke. The books shops are full of criminals making money from crime, just cause they tell a warts and all account of their life does not mean they are some sort of noble guy willing to admit their mistakes. I have never met Cascarino so your story about the programme is not based on any sort of evidence whatsoever. So maybe you should not judge a book by its cover. Practice what you preach. It has occured to me that he may not want to go into management but I also know that he woudl be rubbish at it, as his knowledge of the game is terrible. I have heard him on Today FM, Setanta, and read him in the Times and the Herald. Every time I find his style uninformed and lacking any sort of intellect or knowledge of the game. He goes for the lowest of the low and tells little tit bits from the world of football about how one player liked to wear orange underwear at all times.

**wws** · 01/08/2006, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

He goes for the lowest of the low and tells little tit bits from the world of football about how one player liked to wear orange underwear at all times.

exactly the kind of attention to detail that would make him a better manager than O Leary

**ColinR** · 01/08/2006, 3:42 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Every time I find his style uninformed and lacking any sort of intellect or knowledge of the game. He goes for the lowest of the low and tells little tit bits from the world of football about how one player liked to wear orange underwear at all times.

how do you reconcile your lack of respect for cascarino for this, with your admiration for eamon dunphy who does practically the exact the same on television?

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 3:45 PM

I dont have any admiration for Dunphy. I just find him slightly humourous on the TV.

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by wws

exactly the kind of attention to detail that would make him a better manager than O Leary

Name one bit of evidence that would suggest Cascarino would make a better manager than O Leary.

**wws** · 01/08/2006, 3:48 PM

can you read?!?!?

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 3:53 PM

So you are saying that knowing what colour underwear a player wears would make Cascarino a better manager than O Leary despite the fact that O Leary has about 5 years of managing at the top level and getting to Champions League semi finals and finishing 4 in the Premier League.

**NY Hoop** · 01/08/2006, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Just cause someone makes money by writing a book about how they were a low life previously does not mean they are suddenly ok and a sound blocke. The books shops are full of criminals making money from crime, just cause they tell a warts and all account of their life does not mean they are some sort of noble guy willing to admit their mistakes. I have never met Cascarino so your story about the programme is not based on any sort of evidence whatsoever. So maybe you should not judge a book by its cover. Practice what you preach. It has occured to me that he may not want to go into management but I also know that he woudl be rubbish at it, as his knowledge of the game is terrible. I have heard him on Today FM, Setanta, and read him in the Times and the Herald. Every time I find his style uninformed and lacking any sort of intellect or knowledge of the game. He goes for the lowest of the low and tells little tit bits from the world of football about how one player liked to wear orange underwear at all times.

So now he's a criminal??! Jesus that's some stretch.

I did say "probably" in reference to the programme in fairness.

So a guy who has played at the top level in england and France and has 80 odd international caps covering a World Cup and European Championship has a terrible knowlege of the game?

Are you a WUM? Are you like this away from the keyboard?

KOH

**wws** · 01/08/2006, 4:00 PM

All available evidence suggests that if Cas was given 120 million to spend - he'd wager teh lot on the 6.45 at Sittingbourne, WIN, double, possibly treble his playing budget and outstrip anything O Leary ever 'achieved'. So yes. Better Manager. Better Hairdresser. And never walked out on his country for a summer holiday a la O LEARY.....

**geysir** · 01/08/2006, 4:04 PM

Unlike O' Leary, Cas never stabbed his manager in the back.
Cas had too much honor, pride and a sense of sacrifice when it came to all things green.

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 4:06 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

So now he's a criminal??! Jesus that's some stretch.

I did say "probably" in reference to the programme in fairness.

So a guy who has played at the top level in england and France and has 80 odd international caps covering a World Cup and European Championship has a terrible knowlege of the game?

Are you a WUM? Are you like this away from the keyboard?

KOH

Have you read his book. He admits to various crimes throughout the book so he is a criminal. I have listened and read his piecies some people like to call journalism and I think he is one of those players that has managed to play at a decent level and take very little of it in due to lack of brainpower. George Best was one of the greatest players that the world has even seen he was also said to be very intelligent but his knowledge of football in tactical terms was not great. The game is full of players who have played at various levels who dont cut it out tactically or emotionally as a manager.

Also I have posted on this forum a few times and I think it should be plainly obvious that I am not a wind up merchant. I wish the same could be said for many of the people who post on this thread and others.

**NeilMcD** · 01/08/2006, 4:07 PM

Originally Posted by wws

All available evidence suggests that if Cas was given 120 million to spend - he'd wager teh lot on the 6.45 at Sittingbourne, WIN, double, possibly treble his playing budget and outstrip anything O Leary ever 'achieved'. So yes. Better Manager. Better Hairdresser. And never walked out on his country for a summer holiday a la O LEARY.....

Cascarino never played for his country.

**wws** · 01/08/2006, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Cascarino never played for his country.

He played for Kevin Nolans

**NY Hoop** · 01/08/2006, 4:10 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Have you read his book. He admits to various crimes throughout the book so he is a criminal. I have listened and read his piecies some people like to call journalism and I think he is one of those players that has managed to play at a decent level and take very little of it in due to lack of brainpower. George Best was one of the greatest players that the world has even seen he was also said to be very intelligent but his knowledge of football in tactical terms was not great. The game is full of players who have played at various levels who dont cut it out tactically or emotionally as a manager.

Also I have posted on this forum a few times and I think it shoudl be plainly obvious that I am not a wind up merchangt. I wish the same could be said for many of the people who post on this thread and others.

May be plainly obvious to you..........

Already said I read his book. He's not a convicted criminal.

KOH