QuoteI always eye their rolls when someone mentions a player being "fat".Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
The arbitrary BMI is still a fairly useless indicator of health for muscle-heavy athletes or those with low body-fat percentages but significant lean mass.
I always eye their rolls when someone mentions a player being "fat".
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...gone-1.1532405
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/soccer/...rn-243562.html
So, our Darron is available again. He came across quite well in this interview.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 19/09/2013 at 8:43 AM.
Hhhmm. It's a bit simplistic to throw out the line "I was playing with Everton etc etc". I recall him playing in the warm up match against Bosnia and not being all that effective. In fact I think that sums up his career to date. He has talent but not showing it. But if his sulk is over then come on back and show what he can do but blaming it all on Trap is a cop out.
He comes across as honest thats for sure, though Im still not all that enamoured by him. Trap was right in that 'he is young,25' so perhaps his lack of professionalism, anger etc.. can be explained by this. I do understand the frustration at not getting any game time.
Im not sure that 'embarassment' at not winning or getting on the pitch will ever be a reason for not making yourself available for your country. Trap certainly seemed a little bit inconsistent in his ways and treatment of different players but at the end of the day we all know a manager is merely a temporary custodian of the team, your country is your country and that should be first and foremost in your thoughts as a player - not a petty gripe or personality clash.
I'm not a massive Gibson fan but I can see his quality, even if it hasnt been all that evident in the green of Ireland thus far. Trap asked him in to the squad on a number of occasions since the euros. Who knows, like McCarthy he could well have established himself. He may have had a more positive impact in the Austria, Sweden home games than Whelan? We'll never know I guess but it was all fairly petty and perhaps would have made a difference to a WCQ campaign, with Whelan being an obvious weak link in it.
Anyway, new manager, clean sheet, I'm happy that he will be available for selection again.
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
Bow down and rejoice for young Darron has decided to once again grace us with his presence. Untill he's not getting his game again at least anyway
He says he doesn't want to disrespect Paul Green and goes on to say he was released by Derby which is misleading and very insulting. Derby tried their best to keep him but their stingy American owners are slow to put their hands in their pockets for anybody. Leeds and Ipswich were fighting over him the second it became apparent that he might be leaving Derby. He was never going to be in a position where he had to 'find a new club' so to speak. At least both newspapers had the integrity and knowledge to clear that up.
To be fair, I can see his frustration with regards the Italian match. It probably was an opportunity to thank the whole sqaud and, between starting new players and bringing on subs, give the majority a run. That said, Trap's point at the time about respecting the integrity of the competition is understandable too, especially seeing as he was up against his home nation. Questions would definitely have been asked if we had lost by the three or more goals that Italy needed to guarantee qualification, having made loads of changes.
Anyway, onwards and upwards, the most important thing is that he's available and please God he can do a good job for us.
Last edited by DeLorean; 19/09/2013 at 9:53 AM.
Funny that, even if he was just getting back to fitness when he played against Bosnia, he more than held his own against a very good, technically proficient, first choice Bosnia midfield. I thought he was just what the team needed, going into the Euros, he looked a much different player for us than with his appearances earlier in Trap's tenure.
Good news if he's available again. Of course he has a litter of injuries to deal with each season, fitness will be an issue.
Wonder does Darron think that the Ireland fans who have followed their country for years , should have followed his suit and not gone to games either.
Whatever traps failings with Darron - the B.S of staying away from games is ridiculous
Last edited by back of the net; 19/09/2013 at 11:07 AM.
there's a strong implication in the interview that if the next manager doesn't select him he'll 'retire' again. i suppose central midfielders are entitled to a bit of ego but it must not be nice for the other players in the squad.
I dont think too much of Gibson regardless he always looks a bit sulky, but I hated this from Trap, we were right about the Euros with certain players who should have been brought in and who are now the mainstay. This is extremely patronising.
25 is not young for a footballer, and to just say that is extremely frustrating. This attitude really annoyed me about Trap, it was to the detriment of the team in some cases, his ideas didnt work as we were getting beaten and conceding as it was. I would be very angry at this myself, especially if no further insight was offered. Its ignorant, arrogant, dismissive and a cop-out.And the exact words he said to me were: ‘You’re young.’ And that was it. And he walked off and didn’t give me any other reason.”
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Who actually knows if that's even true... plus Trap could say "you're young" and mean something completely different. It doesn't even make sense because he has played players younger than that. Possibly he just meant that Gibson will have plenty more opportunities. Maybe Trap just resented being asked to explain himself to one disgruntled individual, when there was a whole nation with far bigger gripes to deal with. After three defeats and nine goals conceded, I'm sure Darron sulking about not being brought on for five minutes to save face was the least of his concerns.
Last edited by DeLorean; 19/09/2013 at 11:26 AM.
He was petulant and egotistic, but there was a degree of mitigation.
It was probably better for all concerned for Gibson to stay away and not have an air of tension present in the squad. Gibson clearly saw that he didn't fit Trap's plans so he'd have just been skulking along on the side.
I still think he should have turned up, but I don't think his no-show was in the same league as Stephen Ireland, or dare I say it, Roy Keane's.
I'm glad to have him back. There's pressure on him to deliver now.
Spot on. At this stage who cares? Move on.
It's a good interview but he's silly to mention Paul Green at all.
He could mention it in private to the management etc but not in public.
I totally understand his embarrassment at not playing a minute and him feeling aggrieved.
I've been in that position before and it really hurts. But that's competitive sports.
Now he's going to be in a squad with Paul Green and it's going to be awkward.
The truth of it is, Paul Green is a better player than Whelan
Folding my way into the big money!!!
I agree he's not in the Stephen Ireland bracket yet. To be fair he kept his mouth shut and is saying he wants to come back, not that he wants somebody to have a meeting with him and try to convince him to come back!
He may very well have meant that Tets, we'll never know really. It's Trap so he could have meant anything, if indeed he did say it at all. He brought on James McClean against Spain and he was only 23 at the time and much less done at both club and international level than Gibson. I think it's possible the timing might have been a major factor. You don't ask your boss for a pay rise when he's busy or after getting a hammering off his own boss. You wait until things are quiet and he's in a good mood.
Edit: Pay rise is probably a bad metaphor for explanation, but ye get the gist!
Last edited by DeLorean; 19/09/2013 at 12:25 PM.
I think Paul Green will be lucky to make another squad now that Trap's gone, but I agree with you in that it was ill-judged of Darron to mention him at all. Anyway, at least he has offered his version of events now and appears able to put it behind him. I'm happy he's willing to return.
Outrageous! What was Trap's excuse to you?
Seriously AB - Is there any single thread on this forum where you havent posted the above? If you don't genuinely care, stop reading or at least stop posting that you dont. If you do care, then offer something more meaningful. Its as annoying as fcuk but you know I love you, right?
Agghh come on, spill the beans, who are you mysterious competitive sportsperson? a bit of context please?
Im not so sure, PG's limited number of performances of late have been half decent (MOTM in Vienna according to Ronnie Whelan and I dont think that was far wrong despite the sneering from Bill and panel) when those around him all underperformed. I know he is no great shakes but if he has a good season with Leeds, he may still get a few more opportunities to try and impress the new manager. I wouldnt be looking to just cut him out from the off.
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
I'd keep Green in the squad. Every ball player needs a ball winner and with Andrews gone Green deserves to keep his spot in the squad. I'd be inclined to move Wilson into midfield myself, with 2 of Gibson, McCarthy (let's be honest - poor recently) and Hoolahan in a 3 man midfield. Whelan is no longer mobile enough nor composed enough to retain his spot.
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