Darron Gibson

**SkStu** · 11/12/2012, 2:05 PM

A stubborn Derryman? Rubbish!

**geysir** · 11/12/2012, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

They have the weirdest kit I have every seen.

Obviously you haven't seen some of the French rugby club shirts like Stade Francais, Perpignan and Montpellier.

**Ol� Ol�** · 11/12/2012, 6:22 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Quarterback, a very good description of him. Phil is suggesting he isn't good in tight spaces, so technically he mightn't be as good as others but has a very good range and precision.

Can you get much tighter than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtRO_kLkFJk

I think he was just highlighting that Osman is best at that, while Darron is best at long range. Hence, there's a nice balance struck in the Everton midfield. Not that either of them couldn't exercise the other's primary trait with relative adequacy.

I think there's something very contrived about using the term 'quarter-back'. Beckham was referred to as such for quite a while during his CM days at Real Mardid.

In relation to his comments regarding Ireland, it's quite disappointing he didn't state that he actually does feel passionate about representing Ireland. But, I guess to do so would be an indictment against the present regime, consequently jeopardizing future involvement further.

**DannyInvincible** · 11/12/2012, 6:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ol� Ol�

In relation to his comments regarding Ireland, it's quite disappointing he didn't state that he actually does feel passionate about representing Ireland.

He spoke about wanting to play and working hard in training - that requires at least some degree of passion - but, at the same time, it's clear that the decision-making at the Euros left him with a bitter taste in his mouth that he's found difficult to wash. That's not to justify how he's dealt with the situation. I think he's been extraordinarily petulant and prolonging the self-imposed exile won't do him any favours.

**DeLorean** · 12/12/2012, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by Darron Gibson

I worked hard for the four weeks, probably the hardest I've ever worked with Ireland because I thought I had a chance of getting on the pitch at some stage.

Says it all really.

**geysir** · 12/12/2012, 10:09 AM

Not really, because it doesn't consider what he had to offer to the team on the pitch, as opposed to what was actually sent out there on the pitch.
I'd have sympathy for his ...emotional distress... at the time, but I would expect him to have moved on and apply himself again with a similar determination.

**DeLorean** · 12/12/2012, 10:15 AM

Sorry, I meant it says it all about his attitude - working that bit harder because he felt he had a chance of making the team at a major Championship. I've no problem with Trap rewarding those who try their best all the time ahead of him, especially when it was only in little cameo roles which weren't going to really influence the outcome. I have zero sympathy for him but hold out minimal hope that he grows up and becomes a good player for us.

**geysir** · 12/12/2012, 10:46 AM

So, basically all he just has to do, is turn up, accept whatever and be himself on the pitch,
in order to demonstrate that he has grown up and is a good player for us.

**DeLorean** · 12/12/2012, 10:58 AM

Pretty much, although I don't really get the "accept whatever and be himself on the pitch" bit.

**geysir** · 12/12/2012, 1:07 PM

Accept whatever Trap decides, regardless of his own opinions on the matter and as he has already demonstrated his good midfield abilities with his club, he only has to repeat that form in order to be a good player for us.

**paul_oshea** · 12/12/2012, 1:40 PM

eh no you are missing the most important part, and don't try and mask it in the "accept whatever" bit because its not mutually exclusive to your second bit. If he doesn't play then he can't "be himself on the pitch" if he "accepts whatever" Trap says, which means he is not playing. There is a pre-requisite to that, which reads something like, If trap selects him, do whatever he says, and play the way he has been playing for his club.

**geysir** · 12/12/2012, 2:49 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

eh no you are missing the most important part, and don't try and mask it in the "accept whatever" bit because its not mutually exclusive to your second bit. If he doesn't play then he can't "be himself on the pitch" if he "accepts whatever" Trap says, which means he is not playing. There is a pre-requisite to that, which reads something like, If trap selects him, do whatever he says, and play the way he has been playing for his club.

Afaiu you Paul in that post, first you claim I missed something which you regard is most important, then you assume a denial from me is coming, then you threaten me not to use the assumed denial, then you come up with an argument to the assumed argument I would make, after making the assumed denial.

Either that, or you are just having a normal conversation with the voices inside your head

**paul_oshea** · 12/12/2012, 2:55 PM

You got it in 2, geddit?

Well I'm just used to your usual rhetoric in your <reply_to> posts, so I thought ill try and circumvent that by covering all bases.

**geysir** · 12/12/2012, 3:01 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

You got it in 2, geddit?

Well I'm just used to your usual rhetoric in your <reply_to> posts, so I thought ill try and circumvent that by covering all bases.

Now you persist with your assumptions, assuming your (something very small) mind

understands my way of thinking, and not only that but you imply that there is something distasteful and devious about my replies. Finally ending off with a tribute to your great debating skill.

Now, where's that bucket smiley?

**DeLorean** · 12/12/2012, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

Accept whatever Trap decides, regardless of his own opinions on the matter and as he has already demonstrated his good midfield abilities with his club, he only has to repeat that form in order to be a good player for us.

Oh right, so we're in agreement. I'm going to (naively) assume you're not being sarcastic.

**Irwin3** · 13/12/2012, 3:57 PM

**DeLorean** · 13/12/2012, 4:18 PM

Lots of loose passes there. We'll stick with Glenn for now I feel

**Irwin3** · 13/12/2012, 4:55 PM

**Irwin3** · 13/12/2012, 5:00 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Lots of loose passes there. We'll stick with Glenn for now I feel

87% passing success vs. Man City at the etihad. For the record Glenn Whelan is at 82.2% for the season. Needless to say who attempts the more ambitious passes as well.