Darron Gibson

**Predator** · 28/04/2012, 9:01 PM

Gibson was taken off early enough today. Does anyone know if he it was because of an injury?

Oh and that Croatian Jelavic scored another couple - Dunne, get the notepad out.

**Irwin3** · 13/05/2012, 1:15 PM

Gibson back today for Everton. Hopefully that foul-machine Tiote doesn't do him any damage today...

**Irwin3** · 13/05/2012, 8:07 PM

Gibson survived the foul-machine and by all acounts had another fine performance, apparently coming close with a couple of shots and grabbing an assist as Everton demolished Newcastle 3-1.

Another season unbeaten for Gibbo in the PL. That takes his tally to 27 without loss in the PL. Great move in Jan and some really encouraging performances for Everton. With Gibson, Everton's record was P15 W9 D5 L1. Gibson also played more minutes this season than any other in his career so far despite being injured for a couple of spells and being surplus to requirements at Man Utd for the first half of the season.

For me he's our best midfielder in the squad and I would love to see him impress at the Euro's.

**Charlie Darwin** · 13/05/2012, 8:09 PM

I'm no expert on statistics, nor am I a great judge of footballer, but I'm fairly sure this makes Darron Gibson the best footballer in the world.

**Stuttgart88** · 14/05/2012, 11:36 AM

I remember Arsenal's ex-Millwall player Jimmy Carter went years without winning a game.

**tetsujin1979** · 14/05/2012, 12:25 PM

wasn't there something about Gareth Bale never starting a win for Spurs until last season?

**nigel-harps1954** · 14/05/2012, 1:17 PM

Open to argument on this one, but I believe Gibson is exactly the kind of player that needs to be playing against Spain. Won't take any guff from Iniesta and co, and will pop up with a cracker against an ageing Casillas, who in my opinion isn't half the keeper he used to be.

**John83** · 14/05/2012, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Open to argument on this one, but I believe Gibson is exactly the kind of player that needs to be playing against Spain. Won't take any guff from Iniesta and co, and will pop up with a cracker against an ageing Casillas, who in my opinion isn't half the keeper he used to be.

He's 31, so I presume that by "ageing" you mean he's subject to the ravages of time, like the rest of us.

**nigel-harps1954** · 14/05/2012, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by John83

He's 31, so I presume that by "ageing" you mean he's subject to the ravages of time, like the rest of us.

Indeed, the man has been around for a long time now. Been first choice at Real since he was 18. Just think he's suffering the years a bit more than most.
Could be wrong on that, and I'm sure there are plenty who will disagree, but I just don't think he's half the keeper he used to be.
Saying that however, same could be said for Shay Given.

**DeLorean** · 15/05/2012, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

wasn't there something about Gareth Bale never starting a win for Spurs until last season?

Well it's about three seasons ago by now but yeah, and I think those stats said as much about Bale as a player as Everton's do about Gibson. Everton have been coming strong in the second half of seasons for years. It's nice that Gibson has been a part of it, great that he's playing regular football but I would attribute very little of those Man Utd/Everton stats to him.

**Irwin3** · 15/05/2012, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Well it's about three seasons ago by now but yeah, and I think those stats said as much about Bale as a player as Everton's do about Gibson. Everton have been coming strong in the second half of seasons for years. It's nice that Gibson has been a part of it, great that he's playing regular football but I would attribute very little of those Man Utd/Everton stats to him.

I think the Everton fans would disagree. In the 8 games he missed their record was W2, D4, L2.

By the way. Bale was a joke of a player when he started at Spurs. He looked a nervous wreck and was played at left-back or as a sub and was part of many calamities if I recall correctly.

**tetsujin1979** · 15/05/2012, 4:43 PM

Originally Posted by Irwin3

I think the Everton fans would disagree. In the 8 games he missed their record was W2, D4, L2.

By the way. Bale was a joke of a player when he started at Spurs. He looked a nervous wreck and was played at left-back or as a sub and was part of many calamities if I recall correctly.

he was almost loaned out at one point until injuries forced Redknapp into trying him at left wing. The rest is history.

**DeLorean** · 16/05/2012, 8:23 AM

Originally Posted by Irwin3

I think the Everton fans would disagree. In the 8 games he missed their record was W2, D4, L2.

The two defeats were at Anfield and at home to Arsenal, where they were very unlucky not to get a result. They also lost to Liverpool with Gibson in the side but we won't let an FA Cup semi final defeat skew those flawless Gibbo stats.

Originally Posted by Irwin3

By the way. Bale was a joke of a player when he started at Spurs. He looked a nervous wreck and was played at left-back or as a sub and was part of many calamities if I recall correctly.

He was also 18 years of age making a big step up. He had some decent moments early on but got injured for a good while. When he returned Juande Ramos was in charge having being signed by Martin Jol. He did look a nervous player at that point.

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

he was almost loaned out at one point until injuries forced Redknapp into trying him at left wing. The rest is history.

Actually an injury to Assou-Ekotto forced Redknapp to play him at left-back, where he excelled. When Ekotto returned Bale was moved to the left wing.

**Irwin3** · 16/05/2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

The two defeats were at Anfield and at home to Arsenal, where they were very unlucky not to get a result. They also lost to Liverpool with Gibson in the side but we won't let an FA Cup semi final defeat skew those flawless Gibbo stats.

What are you on about? All the games are included in the stats.

With Gibson:
P15 W9 D5 L1
(This includes victories over Man City, Chelsea, Newcastle. Draw against Man Utd.)

Without Gibson:
P8 W2 D4 L2

And if it wasn't for two brainfarts (Coleman and Distin) Everton could have won that game even after looking uncharacteristically lethargic for most of the game.

**Irwin3** · 16/05/2012, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

He was also 18 years of age making a big step up. He had some decent moments early on but got injured for a good while. When he returned Juande Ramos was in charge having being signed by Martin Jol. He did look a nervous player at that point.

Already know all of this. Thanks for bringing it up.

**DeLorean** · 16/05/2012, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Irwin3

What are you on about? All the games are included in the stats.

Fair enough, my bad.

Originally Posted by Irwin3

With Gibson:
P15 W9 D5 L1
(This includes victories over Man City, Chelsea, Newcastle. Draw against Man Utd.)

Saw Chelsea and Man Utd games out of those, average at best in both.

Originally Posted by Irwin3

And if it wasn't for two brainfarts (Coleman and Distin) Everton could have won that game even after looking uncharacteristically lethargic for most of the game.

On the other side, Everton's goal was a "brainfart" as well. And maybe if Everton competed better in midfield they would have had a better chance also. Another poor showing from Gibson in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Irwin3

Already know all of this. Thanks for bringing it up.

Presumed you didn't. Makes you calling him a "joke of a player" even more ridiculous when those things are factored in.

**Irwin3** · 16/05/2012, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Presumed you didn't. Makes you calling him a "joke of a player" even more ridiculous when those things are factored in.

Those factors are what made him a joke of a player at the time. Without those factors he has since become the beast that he is today.

**DeLorean** · 16/05/2012, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Irwin3

Those factors are what made him a joke of a player at the time. Without those factors he has since become the beast that he is today.

In summary...

Gareth Bale

Young player with huge potential---moves to big club---plays well---gets injured---new manager appears---struggles to regain form after injury---joke of a player.

Darron Gibson

Young player with huge (?) potential---plays for big club---doesn't make much of an impact---still doesn't make much of an impact---moves to smaller club---makes an bit of an impact---clearly the reason his last two clubs stats are so impressive.

**Irwin3** · 16/05/2012, 1:00 PM

What are you on about? Bale was a joke of a player when he joined Spurs. He wasn't playing well and at one stage he was going to be loaned out. Several factors contributed to his shocking form.
-Young player moves to big club
-Team struggling at times, changing managers
-Played out of position
-Injuries

I don't know why you are trying to compare them like for like. Looks like you're stuck on something?

**DeLorean** · 16/05/2012, 1:57 PM

He had played reasonably well when he joined. I agree it's neither here nor there with regards to Gibson, I wasn't being overly serious with my little timeline thing.

I just find your stats ridiculous. United were a poorer side with Gibson in the team, of that I have no doubt. So then to use stats about PL games without defeat etc to build him up is naive to put it in a nice way. I remember one week in particular last season where United were trailing 2-0 to Blackpool in a midweek game. They took Gibson off at half time and went on to win 3-2. A few days later he started again against Southampton in the FA Cup. They were losing 1-0 after about an hour, substituted Gibson and went on to win 2-1. These two games, off the top of my head, would have contributed nicely to the number of United wins where Gibson started, but hardly indicates anything positive about his contribution when it's broken down. That's what I'm on about.