Darron Gibson

[geysir]

He is an average, or slightly above average, Premiership midfielder at best then.

That is high praise indeed, because we only have Whelan as the other regular EPL midfielder and I'd regard him as an average EPL midfielder.
Therefore by your grade of appreciation, Gibson is the best available for our squad, seeing as Andrews is not good enough to be a regular and Fahey is stuck in the championship.
In other words, Gibson is the most talented Irish player at CM in the squad. It's unusual for you to give out such a portion of praise

[DeLorean]

I'm pretty sure Paul was summarising how much Irwin rates Gibson, going on the limited information Irwin provided (stats aside!). It wasn't necessarily Paul's own opinion on Gibson although it might be something similar.

[paul_oshea]

That is high praise indeed, because we only have Whelan as the other regular EPL midfielder and I'd regard him as an average EPL midfielder.
Therefore by your grade of appreciation, Gibson is the best available for our squad, seeing as Andrews is not good enough to be a regular and Fahey is stuck in the championship.
In other words, Gibson is the most talented Irish player at CM in the squad. It's unusual for you to give out such a portion of praise

Ha, if you read , i gave my opinion as the last sentence.

I was trying to surmise Irwin3's argument based on his stats and vague points, that playing at a club who are slighlty above average in terms of PL capabalities, then Gibson is deemed to be a slightly above average midfielder.

I believe he could be a very good midfielder, which can be best described -or I can best describe- by getting a "root up the backside", moyes and trap have put it differently mind you, that a lot more can come from him.

[Irwin3]

Ha, if you read , i gave my opinion as the last sentence.

I was trying to surmise Irwin3's argument based on his stats and vague points, that playing at a club who are slighlty above average in terms of PL capabalities, then Gibson is deemed to be a slightly above average midfielder.

I believe he could be a very good midfielder, which can be best described -or I can best describe- by getting a "root up the backside", moyes and trap have put it differently mind you, that a lot more can come from him.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. Go back to school and brush up on your comprehension skills.

[paul_oshea]

Welcome back Irwin3, I thought you were gone.

[Irwin3]

Welcome back Irwin3, I thought you were gone.

I will defend myself against your blatant defamatory statements.

[geysir]

Ha, if you read , i gave my opinion as the last sentence.

I was trying to surmise Irwin3's argument based on his stats and vague points, that playing at a club who are slighlty above average in terms of PL capabalities, then Gibson is deemed to be a slightly above average midfielder.

I believe he could be a very good midfielder, which can be best described -or I can best describe- by getting a "root up the backside", moyes and trap have put it differently mind you, that a lot more can come from him.

It was too good to be really true.
However it is quite astonishing that some people who regard themselves as 'knowledgeable' about all things that constitute a good player, still have a belief that a kick up the árse is an effective coaching tactic to lift a footballer's game to a 'very good' level

[SkStu]

I don't even remember what the argument is anymore...

All I'll say is that I (and a lot of other toffees) think Gibson has been very good for Everton since his move.

Edit: and I was not a fan of him at all before his move.

[paul_oshea]

We will see next year skstu(possibly at the Euros) like all fans, they always look for the scapegoat and the next messiah, in jelavic they certainly got one in the january transfer window.

I saw 3 or 4 games that he played in, one where he got a wicked deflection and they won 1-0, I thought he was very solid, the other 1 that stuck out was the liverpool game where i thought he was poor to be honest, and the UTD game where he didnt stand out, but he didnt seem terrible either, but I'd expect more from him.

[Olé Olé]

While I was fairly impressed with Gibson during the second half of the season, it must be kept in mind that this was his first extended run (or even run) of games for quite a while in his professional career (Antwerp or Wolves maybe). On the back of this, he's going to the Euro's, where there's a chance he'll get some game time (although this is very dependent on Whelan and Andrews getting injured or experiencing fatigue).

So, hopefully come August, we'll see more continuity again and an ability to assert his presence on games more effectively. Gibson's immediate indications were positive and Moyes stated in numerous interviews that he can improve and get some bite, I think this will occur next season. Hopefully then those who were so eager to brand him a championship footballer in this thread will finish off devouring their hats.

[tetsujin1979]

To add some napalm to the stats fire
from http://greenscene.me/2012/05/ireland...-stat-leaders/

Passes per Game
46.4 – James McCarthy (Wigan)
44.7 – Stephen Ward (Wolves)
42.2 – Darron Gibson (Everton)
40.8 – Glenn Whelan (Stoke)
37.2 – Wes Hoolahan (Norwich)

Successful Passing Percentage
87.2 – James McCarthy (Wigan)
86.5 – Damien Duff (Fulham)
85.7 – Samir Carruthers (Aston Villa)
85.7 – Michael Harriman (QPR, played only one game)
84.1 – Darron Gibson (Everton)
83.3 – Anthony Forde (Wolves)

Successful Long Passes per Game
7.2 – Paddy Kenny (QPR)
6.4 – Keiren Westwood (Sunderland)
5.8 – Shay Given (Aston Villa)
4.9 – Glenn Whelan (Stoke)
4.5 – Darron Gibson (Everton)

Interceptions per Game
2.6 – Stephen Ireland (Aston Villa)
2.0 – Richard Dunne (Aston Villa)
2.0 – John O’Shea (Sunderland)
1.9 – Ciaran Clark (Aston Villa)
1.9 – Darron Gibson (Everton)

[paul_oshea]

Whilst those stats are fairly reasonable there is no common denominator to gauge anything.

I think you see my point when you see samir carruthers above him in one of them.

[DeLorean]

Hopefully then those who were so eager to brand him a championship footballer in this thread will finish off devouring their hats.

I'm not sure if I ever referred to him as a Championship footballer, but I would admit to doubting his PL credentials based on his Man Utd and Ireland showings. I'm sure if he wasn't Irish, and the hope factor was put to one side, most people on here would have felt the same. Although I haven't been overly impressed in the few Everton games I have seen, it would be foolish of me to suggest that his career isn't going in the right direction. I hope this progress is dramatic and I get to "devour my hat" sooner rather than later

[Irwin3]

@DeLorean. Why aren't you trying to kill the latest stats?

[DeLorean]

@DeLorean. Why aren't you trying to kill the latest stats?

Ok I admit it, it's not Darron I don't like...it's YOU!!

I joke, I joke... I suppose Irwin3, it's because I'm not even sure what those stats are supposed to indicate. To me, all it shows it that generally players make roughly (oh-oh, have I said a bad word?) about 40 passes per game, successful passes are usually somewhere between 80-90%, goalkeepers kick ass at the long passes and about two interceptions per game seems to be the norm. I'm aware that these were only the top of the lists...the elite like Gibbo and Samir Carruthers if you will, but as you know I wouldn't be a dedicated enough statistician to dig any deeper.

[Irwin3]

Ok I admit it, it's not Darron I don't like...it's YOU!!

I joke, I joke... I suppose Irwin3, it's because I'm not even sure what those stats are supposed to indicate. To me, all it shows it that generally players make roughly (oh-oh, have I said a bad word?) about 40 passes per game, successful passes are usually somewhere between 80-90%, goalkeepers kick ass at the long passes and about two interceptions per game seems to be the norm. I'm aware that these were only the top of the lists...the elite like Gibbo and Samir Carruthers if you will, but as you know I wouldn't be a dedicated enough statistician to dig any deeper.

That's really your problem then, isn't it? Why bother yourself with them if you don't even know what they indicate?

Glenn Whelan thinks his 79.4% is grand.

Only played 19 minutes. Good prospect but let's see how he does after a run of games. Usually players are excluded from such lists unless they've played a certain amount of games. Good try at sarcasm though.

What's the common denominator of all the lists? Darron Gibson. Nooooooooooo! Lies I tell you. Lies. What do these stats even indicate? Down with stats!

[tricky_colour]

To add some napalm to the stats fire
from http://greenscene.me/2012/05/ireland...-stat-leaders/

Thanks I will add that to my stats sites, interesting how different stats can tell a different story.

[SkStu]

To add some napalm to the stats fire
from http://greenscene.me/2012/05/ireland...-stat-leaders/

Michael Harriman? A successor to Paul Green at last!

[DeLorean]

Why bother yourself with them if you don't even know what they indicate?

Am.... I wasn't bothered with them. So much so that you were curious as to why I wasn't bothered with them. Remember....

@DeLorean. Why aren't you trying to kill the latest stats?

[Irwin3]

Am.... I wasn't bothered with them. So much so that you were curious as to why I wasn't bothered with them. Remember....

Lack of comprehension strikes again. My question "@DeLorean. Why aren't you trying to kill the latest stats?" was more to do with the fact that you got yourself all worked up over my two stats that I posted (Gibson's Everton record and his unbeaten PL run) and then have paid no notice to the numerous stats posted subsequently by tricky and tets. Hmm. Why was that I wonder?

And the "why bother" question is to do with you saying you don't understand what the stats indicate and then you proceed to try and belittle them. Why go to the effort?