Just a short point but one I think is very valid in all these goings on. The FAI through licencing has had the chance to sort out football. Last season we had the charade of Rovers losing points cause the FAI had no rules, had not spotted anything in their licence application until they were told.
Now we have DC going nust half way through the season, Shels and Cork getting winding up notices, and loads of rumours of other clubs in money bother, less than six months after the licences were given out by the FAI.
So maybe all you people who see such a bright future in the hands of the FAI can relate this to the last two years of shambles caused by the FAI, not the clubs, not doing their job right. Will the amalgamation suddenly make the FAI do things right?
It was, and is, the clubs who are not doing their jobs right. The FAI have fudged the licencing system, as can be seen by the farcical happenings of recent days, but the answer to this league's many problems is to strengthen the rules. That can't be done under the present system. The only shot we have is through 'jumping into bed with the FAI'.
I may have little faith in the FAI, but I have none in the clubs.
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Sorry Passive but you are wrong. If the FAI enforced the rules from day one, the clubs would have had to sort themselves out, we both agree on the clubs part of the problem. However the FAI have not enforced their own rules simple as. Why will that change as the FAI for the last 3 seasons had the power to stop clubs trading recklessly but ignored it.Originally Posted by Passive
Why can't the rules be implemented under the current system? It's "FAI" UEFA Licencing, not "eircom League" UEFA Licencing. It's the FAI who implement it, and the FAI who awarded Dublin City a licence this season when they clearly needed to be given a root up the hole and told to sort themselves out.
Yes, DC have to take a lot of the blame, but there is a system in place for sorting issues like this and it simply wasn't used.
I totally agree that the FAI bottled the rules and totally failed in their job.
It just might be a case of the only cure being the pill that made you sick in the first place.
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well Dub city put 1500 paying through the gate in their business plan, they had dalyer and premier status, they sold the FAI that vision
There's really not much the FAI could do with the Licence, the only thingi ts needed for is euro competition, after that because the leagveu was run by the clubs it was clear teh clubs would fudge everything to suit itself.
we're in a different boat from the end of this season with the FAI running everything, without individual club interests taking over
do I trust the FAI, eh hell no, do I prefer for everyone to be fecked over to the same degree, hell yes
Let's look at the real reason why Ronan Seery decided to call it a day, shall we? He new the game was up re the Premier Division. He had managed to put together a half decent squad of players that was actually doing ok in the top-flight, but once he got round to accepting that no matter how he cooked the books and spent outragiously on his team he was never going to convince the FAI to grant them a Premier Division place for next season. He knew the game was up - either continue on as normal and still be doomed to an indefinite future in Division One, or put a stop to it right now. If it wasn't for the imminant changes and tightening up of proceedures we wouldn't be having any kind of discussion about the demise of CHF either now or any time soon.
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Well under licencing clubs must submit accounts every month so either Seery was a fraudster of Enron proportions or the FAI were asleep on the job. I'd go with B myself.
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Good point. I haven't seen that said anywhere else, but it makes a lot of sense.
Fai are like monty pyton theyre making it up as they go along
I wish i did not know then what I dont know now
I know WAR I know, what it means is he had a budget for the year, he has used that all now and will be insolvent if he carries on... coinsidering carrying on and finishing 4th will still see them demoted he's walked
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Yes there is - the FAI give out the licences to compete in the eircom League, so they just deny DC a licence.
The Revenue winding up order for CCFC was way out of proportion - do they issue wining up orders for any compnay that owes 160k for less than 12 months?
Dublin City were going to fold eventually as they cannot be sustained so i suppose it could be argued the FAI did a good job to force them out before they gathered larger debts? It had also been proven correct to keep DC out of the Premier next season as they could not pay for day to day expenses.
They should investigate some of the GAA clubs! Lots of expenses!
Also getting into bed with the FAI is akin to getting into bed with a fat Aunt.
*shudder*
I thought it was "historical debt". At least thats what Lennox said
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By historic he meant last year
His explanation to the CCOSC was that the club estimated how much tax they owed a month and pay that.....unfortunately our accountants were way off(about 10,000 a month or so).
Stupid thing to let happen but its been paid. As he said was just an embarrassment more than something to worry about
If I were a Cork fan I would feel it very much is something to worry about. It's hardly rocket science to work out what tax is owed each month and that Cork managed to get it it so wrong for so long has to be cause for concern about how the club is run.His explanation to the CCOSC was that the club estimated how much tax they owed a month and pay that.....unfortunately our accountants were way off(about 10,000 a month or so).
Stupid thing to let happen but its been paid. As he said was just an embarrassment more than something to worry about
Lucky your not a Cork fan then
I have no concern for how the club is run. Mistakes happen and this was a stupid one
To be fair, I'd say that was just a wild bad error on the part of the club's accountant .
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Spot on. Seery knew that Dublin City were going to be Division 1 next season BECAUSE OF the new requirements, and he also knew that his chances of ever getting promoted back to the Premier were slim and none - Mainly because no home ground and no paying fans. So as manic da hoop said, he knew the game was up and realised that the rest of the season was only going to cost him dead money.
My own opinion is that the FAI knew this was coming and desiantly allowed it to happen. What better way to frighten the sh!te out of clubs by having an example to show in Dublin City? The FAI are not fools, John Delaney isn't anyway. The whole point of these new requirements is to root out clubs like Dublin City, and to get clubs to basically cop themselves on and build for the future. Dublin City having to resign was a shock and a wake up call, an effect that Delaney is probably doing jigs about. I bet Delaney already knows the make up of the Premier for next season......
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