QuoteAnd look at Holland, a very small nation, then look at their football legacy.Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Dermot Keely is(Was) the biggest moany hole in the league and if Dublin City going bust does nothing else but remove him from our midst then it can't be all bad news, can it ? I hope to God the Sun cancel his column now so we don't have to listen to his negative drivel anymore
And look at Holland, a very small nation, then look at their football legacy.
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
Second word - Norway.
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our attendances will always be lower than norway and denmark because of the competition in Ireland for effectively the same fans... GAA soccer and rugby are all pulling generally from the same pool..in the scandinavian countries soccer is really the only option of a major team sport..Ireland is Unique in that it is a sports mad nation....all sports...all I know it is better on to go to a game on a friday evening in the summer and a few pints afterwards than trying to do the same in the winter.....maybe if the facilities at all grounds improved on and off the pitch peoples atitude might change..until then C'est la Vie
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Rugby is no competition. Rugby attendances are no great shakes. Rugby attendances in England are far bigger than those here and they still manage to fill football stadia.
Swedish and Norwegian football has to compete with the very popular activities of (Ice) Hockey and sitting in the sauna with naked chicks and still does ok.
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That'd be fine, if it was only us that was experiencing it. I've said all i'd like is an evaluation of it's success or otherwise in terms of attendance, media coverage, sponsorship etc. The first two especially as this is what the move was supposed to help. If it comes up with having a positive impact, or even no change then I'm willing to accept that even if I do prefer winter football. I'm not sure what the problem with wanting decisions based on fact, and then evaluated as a success or failure rather than guestimates?
btw we haven't had summer football for a decade, so I'm not sure how you're basing the increase in skill level on that. Imo any increase in skill is more to do with players being available post ITV Digital and our subsequent move up the wage rankings compared to England (for how long though, given it doesn't appear sustainable?)
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My point is that it is a major international team sport and has a high participation ..this means that the people that play this are lost to soccer as possible fans not like in scandinavia where the soccer is the only real major team sport to support.... Also we have apopulation of 4 million alot less than england.. like england we have hotspots for rugby ( limerick ) but they are smaller.than the pockets in england......no matter waht way you look at it GAA and Rugby do impinge on the amount of people following eircom league ...its just a fact of life we have to deal with....I agree with the naked chicks issue and therefore my arguement is lost
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Not during the season - summer soccer there as well. I agree though that if soccer was run in conjunction with the ski season the attendences would be much lower.
Incidentally, Valerenga in Oslo also have an Ice hockey, American Football, and handball team under the auspices of the one organisation.
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Name me 3 towns in England that are larger than Limerick and where rugby union is the main sport ? (I specify 'Union', because we don't have league in Ireland.)
There's more than enough room for Eircom league soccer in Ireland vis-a-vis other sports. The thousands of people from the island who head to games in England/Scotland every weekend should be proof enough of this.
Surely anyone not giving the clubs doing well in Europe any credit would never contemplate going to an EL game anyway and aren't relevant to a winter/summer soccer debate.
They just think the EL is ****e. Full Stop
I'm what? I'm ants at a picnic?
But isn't that the point? We were sold summer football on the basis of better European results will increase the leagues credibility and thus increase attendances. That hasn't happened on either count imo.
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Leicester,Bath, Northampton , Gloucester
sorry Just saw rogues point...There is an issue of Population as well.....Name me three Counties in ireland where soccer is the main sport....Gaa is our national game ..scandinavian countries do not have another team sport as well supported as GAA to contend with..the GAA whether u like it or not does affect our attendances..if the GAA wasn't there then you would be comparing like with like
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on our recent trip to finland hjk supporters spoke about the exact same problems regerding icehockey .Its the main draw over there like gaa is here .They reckon the powers that be dont give a toss about soccer .
The question was : name me 3 towns in England that are larger than Limerick and where rugby union is the main sport ?
The first sport in Leicester is football.
Bath is smaller than Limerick (particularly as Bath city has no environs/satellite towns that are/can be considered part of it, hereas Limerick does).
Glioucester is definitely right.
Northampton arguably so (soccer is as popular there as rugby, as a lot of the population follow teams other than Northampton. They just happen to have a more successful rugby than football team).
So there's 2 out of 4 from your list.
Unfair to make it counties rather than towns/cities, given that soccer is a primarily urban phenomenon and GAA a primarily rural one. But ignoring this inherent bias in your question, I'll give it a go.
Derry - yes.
Antrim - yes.
Sligo - yes (the town at least).
Dublin - yes, and don't even debate it. Hill 16 or not, Dublin is primarily a soccer-loving town. Maybe not Irish soccer, but that wasn't the question.
Down - almost certainly.
The rrpoblem with attendances isn't with comnpetition from other sports, it's with people watching football on TV and supporting foreign teams over their own.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Norway is probably a better example as Norway's population is only around 300,000 higher than ours.
In a nutshell.
As most other countries show - unless there's a direct scheduling clash, people have no problems going to watch multiple sports live.
If Man united moved to Dublin tomorrow they'd sell out every week, and the GAA attendnaces would suffer little or no negative impact.
Cork people will go to Turners cross in decent numbers, and then in the same weekend flock to Parc Ui Rinn/Thurles/Croker/wherever for hurling or football.
It's not about other sports - it's about the Irish attitude to domestic football. End of story.
Ice Hockey isn't much of a sport in Norway, cross-country skiing would be their national sport. It's only really the Finns and Swedes that play ice-hockey in Scandinavia. Athletics, handball, bandy, naked chicks in saunas and tango dancing are the other main sports in Scandinavia.
Soccer loving and soccer attending are two different things...we were talking about attendances..more people in Derry, Dublin and Sligo attend GAA than soccer..won't comment on antrim and Down as they are not in the EL...we are slowly but surely going off point...if you apply yorur dublin reason then Leicester is a rugby loving city and Rugby is number one there
Cork is a soccer loving city yet the GAA is bigger all round ....
I think you have drained the life out of my post and I am not sure what your point is...I refer to mine that idf the GAA was not there Attendances at soccer would be bigger and the Scandinavian countries do not have a national sport as big as the GAA to contend with and as a result their leagues are stronger nationally attendance wise
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