With the coming restructuring of the Eircom League,and all its conditions,will Hogan Park be up to staging Prem League matches next season,should we win the 1st div,or finish in a promotion place?It will be a travesty if things go wrong,as this club & its fans have taken more than their fare share of setbacks over the years!What do you think,lads?
IMO if we had got teh lease signed at the start of the season the ground would have been up to standard by next season - and we would have been invited to join premier. The new season is 4 1/2 months away - even if the lease was signed today there would not be enough time to get the needed work done IMO. The upshot is that if we are invited to join it will be on the basis that we do not have Hogan Park as our home ground.Originally Posted by Castle Barracks
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Agree. The Criteria (prev posted somewhere on this forum) will not allow us to get promoted as we stand. Now, however, a new venue may make all the difference.
We will lose out on the UEFA A License, Lease and past seasons records I'm afraid.
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
A full copy of the proposal is available here.
A brief assessment on the new structure is here :
Independent Assessment Process• An Independent Assessment Group (IAG), chaired by Des Casey, UEFA Life Member and
former FAI President, will work with set criteria to rank clubs 1 to 22 by end of November 2006.
• Subject to ratification by FAI Board, Clubs ranked 1 to 12 as an outcome of the Independent
Assessment Process will compete in the eircomPremiership and those ranked 13 – 22 will compete
in the 1st Division for 2007 season
• The FAI / eircomLeague Implementation Committee has agreed the criteria to be used by the
IAG and on-pitch and off-pitch performances are given equal weighting.
• The IAG will allocate points against criteria such as licensing compliance, infrastructure, youth
development and target markets / attendance figures.
• In addition a scoring system based on FIFA templates is in place to allow for clubs to be ranked
according to performances from 02/03-05 seasons in League, European, FAI & League Cups.
• Using the same system clubs will be ranked at the end of the 2006 season.
• Clubs will have the opportunity to present their plans for strategic development to the IAG and
each will be given time to meet and discuss those plans with the IAG.
• In the event that clubs finish equal on all points allocated against the criteria then their league
standing at the end of 2006 season will decide their final ranking under the IAG process.
• At the completion of its deliberations the IAG will present its recommendations to FAI Board.
Criteria for use by IAG
There is a 50-50 sporting v non sporting breakdown to reinforce the FAI position that on and off pitch standards are of equal importance.
The overall scoring breakdown is:
20% 2006 season League Finish + Cups +
Europe. FIFA system is used as a template. Total points gained across all
Competitions are tallied and used to rank clubs from 1 – 22. Scoring
points are assigned against rank from 200 for the club ranked no. 1
to 60 to the club ranked no. 22.
League: Premier Division League winners receive 22 pts, runnersup
21 pts to 1 pt for bottom place in 1st Division.
FAI Cup: Winners - 10 pts Runners-up - 8 pts Semi-Finalists - 6 pts
Quarter-Finalists -3 pts 3rd round losers-2 pts 2nd round losers -1 pt.
(note: League clubs enter @ 2nd round stage).
League Cup: Winners - 8 pts Runners-up - 6 pts Semi-Finalists - 4
pts Quarter-Finalists - 2 pts 1st & 2nd round losers - 1 pt
Europe – Champions League qualifiers: win 3 pts; draw 1.5 pts
Champions League Group stages: win 6 pts; draw 3 pts
UEFA Cup qualifying matches: win 2 pts; 1 pt for a draw.
Inter Toto Cup qualifying matches: win 1 pt; draw 0.5 pts
UEFA Cup 1st Round matches: win 4 pts; draw 2 pts
02/03 - 2005 seasons
League Finish + Cups +
Europe
30% Performances across League, Cups and European competition in
02/03; 2003; 2004 and 2005 playing seasons are scored in
accordance with the system approved. Tallied points will equate to
rankings 1-22 and scoring points will be allocated (300-90).
Infrastructure
10% Considerations here to include Safe-holding (min. 3,000)
Unencumbered access – Ownership / long term lessee / no.
covered seats / plans re infrastructure development etc
Club licensing:
Including governance, youth development etc
15% Only those applicants eligible to apply for an ‘A’ licence will be
considered for assessment process.
15% Benchmarking will be based on licensing compliance record (i.e.
3year trends) and will provide the IAG with a clear picture of the
applicant’s performance against the licensing requirements, provide
a good indication as to progress made and the future sustainability
/ governance infrastructure of applicants.
The benchmarking process will be carried out by the Licensing Unit
and monitored by the Licensing Committee.
Each applicant will be asked to submit its strategy for the
continuing development of its organisation. Club representatives
will be invited to meet with IAG and IAG members may choose to
visit the clubs. The outcomes of the one-to-one meetings and the
comprehensive analysis of the material provided will allow IAG to
form an opinion and allocate a score.
Target Markets / population
densities / attendance
figures (04 & 05 figures
already available)
10% Using population data to highlight densities against existing clubs
and the trends in their attendance rates.
Those applicants, which stand alone in areas of large target markets
and which have established a solid base of support as indicated by
their consolidated attendance figures will be allocated high scores in
this category.
Are we then resigned to not being part of the Prem League next season?What about Jackman Park,Market's Field,or even Thomond Park?How would Lims fans,as well as potential ones,feel about seeing their side play out at such a venue?
Thomond Park and the Markets Field are not on-simply because we need longevity. Thomond Park is going under the knife itself in 16 months and will be out of commission for a long time thereafter. The Markets Field issue is a dead duck, and has already been flogged to death.
Jackman Park has good development potential, and would be many peoples favourite location-if it is re-developed and both parties (junior and senior) can see sense and play together.
If that's the case,why did the club relocate to Hogan?Was it purely to avoid ground-sharing/being tennants?Who owns Hogan anyway?Is it the club?Will Hogan ever be developed?
Hogan Park is owned by the Hogan family, Peter Hogan being the main man. He became very friendly with Fr. Joe Young during one of Joes soujourns to the States with his youth club. The ground is for the people of the area(supposedly) and has trustees appointed to look after its well-being, the main one being the good priest.
To cut a long, boring, many times told story short, the club need to sign a long term lease with Hogan(or the priest) but there seems to be stumbling blocks that nobody is quite sure about. A pending road development and a lot of loot for the current owner might be swinging the pendulum, but I'm not so sure about that...
Anyway..........it's a big mess!!
What about Market's Field?
I hope limerick do get promoted so everyone can see the sh*te we had to put up with at hogan park
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Quotes from nshoop...............
Because they loved relegating us so much and wanted us to go out of existence,f*ck them,they were a waste of time and money!
BOLL*CKS,more fans come out because of our unfair reputation,to have a go at us or the thrill of seeing the dublin scumbags,you're talking out of your hole!
Good answer,screw these west brits
Tolka isn't theirs to sell and who begs to get into the stadium of sh*te or dalyer/castleknock
Its a shame that such a cultured, sensitive character as yourself had to make the trip down to the seething city of hate that Limerick clearly is. From your posts it is clear that the haven of wherever Rovers ground is this year has left you unprepared for such barbarity. I only hope that meeting the locals wont have damaged your gifted control of the English language.
Last edited by osarusan; 20/07/2006 at 4:52 PM.
Only reading this hours later,good research and reply man,but it's still a kip
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Cheers!! Its alright if we insult the place, but nobody else!!Only reading this hours later,good research and reply man,but it's still a kip
Thomond Park is going under the knife alright but it will still be used during redevelopment. It would be acceptable for a premier license - I don't understand the longevity bit. It doesn't solve our long-term security alright but it would be acceptable to get us into the premier. There is no reason Hogan could not be redeveloped while we play in Thomond Park.
The Jacks is at the same stage of development as Hogan Park. The JAcks would not get a license as it stands. It would require teh same work as Rathbane would. It also has the problem of access - I can't see any alternative access point - I don't believe for a second that CIE would facilitate egress through the station.
The Markets Field only becomes an option if the city council make it a requirement for planning for the apartments the greyhound lads want to build there that a football ground is maintained. This won't happen.
IMO we won't be in the premier next season in Rathbane. It can only happen if we find an alternative short-term option. In th emeantime we need Rathbane to be developed. The priest is the key to this IMO. He signs a long-term lease and our future is secure. He doesn't and we rumble on as usual from crisis to uncertain crisis.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
The plans for Thomond Park involve the surface being torn up for a lot of the development, and the IRFU have said that no games of importance will be played on it during reconstruction because the surface won't be suitable for rugby. If not suitable for rugby, then hardly for football?? Also, the IRFU will demand massive ground rent if they even agree to it, which I doubt. That would mean average gates of 3-4000 minimum...Not likely just yet. The longevity part of it means that Thomond would not be our long term home and therefore won't help with any promotion bid. You're right; the priest and whoever is pulling his strings hold the key, ergo....we're screwed!!
Apparently there is some access point that can be developed there in between the station and Austin Quinlivans pub. If that could be developed, along with some cohesion with the LDMC boys, everyone would be a winner. But what are the chances of the latter??
True, but if it hasn't been signed by now, then I don't believe its going to be...ever.
Who owns the Markets Field?Why was footy stopped there?What about them the other stadium ouy the Ennis Road,the GAA Grounds?Sorry if I'm moidering,but there's a hell of a lot that I don't know about footy in Limerick,as you can detect from my postings!
Football ceased to be in the Markets Field in the mid-80's because the powers that be at Limerick decided back then that buying the Old Crescent RFC grounds would be a good move. It could have been, but had the opposite effect on Limerick football, with the fans staying away in their thousands. The club fell into some bad bad times, Kentucky Fried Bad Times, some might say, and the club has more or less been in the doldrums ever since.
The GAA still prohibit football on their stadia, apart from the exception to their constitution to allow rugby and soccer to Croke Park. That marks out the gaelic grounds.
HAve you ever lived in Ireland?
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
No,I haven't!I've lived in Wales all my life!
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