Wider Middle East conflict

**ken foree** · 20/07/2006, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

ken i never said the fat dumb yank thing.

yea but you implied it. with the 'americans can't find such and such a place on a map even though they're well-dressed' game. if you don't trust popularity indexes, why would you trust this to be representative of a country of 270 million people

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

and i have heard this all the time from americans, oh we dont vote for him we hate him, yet he is still in power?!?! so its at least 51% that think like this. I never take heed of those popularity index thingies, because before the election his support supposedly wained to a low 30% yet he gets re-elected 6 months down the line?!?! whats that all about....

google diebold and ken blackwell, his role in the corrupt ohio election in '04 is well documented. and 51% of people who voted, which was less than 100 million total, most americans are moderates who are fed up with the two party system, i'd imagine.

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I never said anything about, its what they WANT to hear thats what metrostars said, I was saying maybe if they were being spoon fed all propoganda that the israelis are evil and the spawn of satan crushing the poor arabs, that this may then be what they WANT to hear, as was stated by Metrostars. Its those that you meet out of america that will tell you how they read this and that and how they hate CNN etc, but only because htey have seen different, those that havent are still being spoon fed pro-israeli propoganda.

tv news is a business and at the moment is apparently licking bushco's ar$es, never watch it so i can't comment specifically

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Finally, on your point about seeing one side, yes I have given a different side of it here, because what I was reading earlier on was very much one sided. It still is however my opinion. I do think that hizbollah were taking the heat off the palestinians, but there is a little more to it than that....

..as i posted initially. 'a little more to it' might be the understatement of the year! no heroes and saints in this thing, israel is often a rogue state that even bites the hand that feeds it (google uss liberty) and get too much aid from the u.s. to be sure but.. there's always a but

**paul_oshea** · 20/07/2006, 2:44 PM

documented. and 51% of people who voted, which was less than 100 million total

i thought you said it was a country of 270 million ( i thought its about 250 + illegals )? that cant be right then!!!

**Metrostars** · 20/07/2006, 6:48 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

i thought you said it was a country of 270 million ( i thought its about 250 + illegals )? that cant be right then!!!

Last election info:
Population: 293,655,404
Total Voting Age Population: 217,767,000
Total Registered Voters: 167,802,660
Total Votes: 122,293,548
% VAP: 56.2%
% REG: 72.9%

Bush: 62,040,610 (50.73%)
Kerry: 59,028,439 (48.27%)
Nader: 463,655 (0.38%)
Badnarik: 397,265 (0.32%)
Other: 363,579 (0.30%)

(http://www.uselectionatlas.org/)

**dancinpants** · 20/07/2006, 7:50 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Bush: 62,040,610 (50.73%)

Don't care what anyone says but that still scares the **** out of me!

**Noelys Guitar** · 20/07/2006, 7:59 PM

Here is a quote from a member of congress today
"This is the usual problem with any resolution that talks about Israel — there are a lot of closet naysayers up there (in Congress), but they don't want to be a target of the lobby" of Israel, said Eugene H. Bird, president of the Council for the National Interest, a group that harshly condemns Israel's military campaign. Hiding behind Cheney and crew are a whole host of AIPAC Jewish members.

**Metrostars** · 20/07/2006, 8:22 PM

Originally Posted by dancinpants

Don't care what anyone says but that still scares the **** out of me!

The numbers that disturb me the most are:

Total Voting Age Population: 217,767,000
Total Registered Voters: 167,802,660

So there are almost 50million who eligible to vote but not registered. I guess if you took out non-citizens, the number come would down a lot.

**dancinpants** · 20/07/2006, 9:00 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

The numbers that disturb me the most are:

Total Voting Age Population: 217,767,000
Total Registered Voters: 167,802,660

Am let me see....no. The fact that there are 62,000,000 mentally unstable people running around this country is infinitely more disturbing.

**paul_oshea** · 21/07/2006, 9:25 AM

Hiding behind Cheney and crew are a whole host of AIPAC Jewish members.

Yes there are. and not just behind cheney.....

that number is disturbing on both counts Dancinpants, and its something I was way wrong about, I thought it was something like 5 mil. But again I have a lot of american friends, and some of them dont bother there arses voting which is even more disturbing, cos they havent registered to vote or are just simply too lazy, then there is the worse one, where some say well ye know like, we dont want either in there, its a case of which one in do you want less!!!!

**Marked Man** · 21/07/2006, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Last election info:
Population: 293,655,404
Total Voting Age Population: 217,767,000
Total Registered Voters: 167,802,660
Total Votes: 122,293,548
% VAP: 56.2%
% REG: 72.9%

Bush: 62,040,610 (50.73%)
Kerry: 59,028,439 (48.27%)
Nader: 463,655 (0.38%)
Badnarik: 397,265 (0.32%)
Other: 363,579 (0.30%)

(http://www.uselectionatlas.org/)

So, the actual support for Bush at the time of the election, in terms of percentage of the [voting age] population as a whole was approximately 27%. Which can win you an election, if you lock up large numbers of potential voters with the war on (ahem) drugs.

**Metrostars** · 21/07/2006, 5:34 PM

Originally Posted by Marked Man

So, the actual support for Bush at the time of the election, in terms of percentage of the [voting age] population as a whole was approximately 27%. Which can win you an election, if you lock up large numbers of potential voters with the war on (ahem) drugs.

Well, not totally accurate because about 50 million of the 217 million "Voting Age Population" are not registered to vote. Of that 50 million, I guess maybe half are not eligible to vote. This is made up of non-citizens and convicted felons who are not eligible to vote in some states.

My guess is about 25 million others not registered.

**Marked Man** · 22/07/2006, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Well, not totally accurate because about 50 million of the 217 million "Voting Age Population" are not registered to vote. .

???? Which is why I said "voting age population" rather than, say, "registered voters."

**Noelys Guitar** · 22/07/2006, 5:47 AM

Where's Hinckley when you need him?

**dancinpants** · 22/07/2006, 6:16 AM

Don't be worrying about AIPAC, its the PNAC you need to worry about!!!. Because it all seems to be falling into place very nicely.

PNAC=Project for a New American Century.

Google it - you'll find it interesting!

**Noelys Guitar** · 22/07/2006, 6:45 AM

DP belive me I know exactly who PNac are. I am one of the "outsiders" travelling up to connecticut to help defeat Liberman.( no dig metrostar and I very much respect your opinions). The US is going through a real crisis. The murder rate is going through the roof. MY own city of Philadelphia is already above the 300 murders for this year. Once more violent crime is rampant and I mean rampant in the US (exactly like the early 70's). all due to Chimpy McFlightsuit taking away from city Police forces to fight his illegal war. Incredible to say but Bush is much worse than Nixon. I intend to do everything I personally can as a Shamrock Rovers (always season ticket holder when living in Ireland) and Irish citizen to stop this despicable regime. and I can no longer stand by as innocent people of Lebannon are bombarded by Brooklyn and NJ/Pa rejects.

**Marked Man** · 22/07/2006, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Incredible to say but Bush is much worse than Nixon. I intend to do everything I personally can as a Shamrock Rovers (always season ticket holder when living in Ireland) and Irish citizen to stop this despicable regime.

Curious to know what you, in the capacity of Shamrock Rovers fan, can do to stop this despicable regime, NG.

**pete** · 22/07/2006, 10:41 PM

Moderator: OK i'm back from Cyprus (did not see any evacuees but airport very busy) so lets keep this on topic folks. Start new thread if want to discuss US voting patterns.

Israel may have had reasons to respond to Hezbollah in initially but its gone way beyond that & every country in the worls should condemn.

Hezbollah want Israel to invade & probably just need to up the ante to provoke Israel - lets face it they very easily provoked.

You can blame Iran & Syria for funding Hezbollah but its no different that the US v USSR cold war being played out in neutral territories. Remember the US gives Israel $2.5bn "security assistance" every year.

Bush once again showed how much an idiot he is by his comments "off mic" with Blair. Blair lost any remaining credibility in Bushes replies to his questions - it was like waltching Big Brother bitchy contestants.

The Middle East is a mess & cannot be solved.

**dancinpants** · 24/07/2006, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Moderator: OK i'm back from Cyprus (did not see any evacuees but airport very busy) so lets keep this on topic folks. Start new thread if want to discuss US voting patterns.

US voting patterns can be said to directly relate to the US stance in situations such as the mid-east conflict.

**paul_oshea** · 26/07/2006, 8:17 AM

law onto themselves:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0726/lebanon.html

**pete** · 26/07/2006, 9:42 AM

UN officials usually have big blue sign on their roof. The fact that they targetted by a warplane means cannot be just a stray shell. Clearly Israel trying to intimidate the UN as don't want any witnesses.