Driving

**NY Hoop** · 19/07/2006, 4:10 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

I fail to see where all the animosity is coming from btw. Are you all that offended that someone might be a better driver that you? (Even though they didn't actually claim that.) Are you all 100% no-backsies convinced that "speeding kills"? No leeway, no acceptance whatsoever that accidents caused by speeding are ultimately caused by a lack of driving skill ("bad driving").

Do you always believe everything your government tells you, or just in this case? Do you think they're completely faultless when it comes to driving standards in this country? Is everything this black and white for you? Only Israel or Palestine can be at fault? The USA is never wrong? The IRA had no members that were in it for Ireland, and not the money?

What a depressing way to live life. It's no wonder you all drive like grannies. (Which I don't believe btw. Not for a second. You'll lecture here, and you'll bump past the speed limit on the way home. One day you'll get caught, and you won't tell anyone for fear of exposing yourself as the hypocrite you are.)

adam

Pot. Kettle. Black.

YOU ARE IN MORE DIRE NEED OF YOUR HOLE THAN ANY MAN IN HISTORY.

So to sum up anyone who disagrees with your nonsense is barred. Bar yourself rainman and give this site to somebody who can have a proper debate.

KOH

**dahamsta** · 19/07/2006, 4:26 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

So to sum up anyone who disagrees with your nonsense is barred.

No, anyone who breaks the rules is barred. The words? Read them?

As to your other comment, you do understand the concept of "personal abuse", yes? You do understand that posting that kind of rubbish about anyone on Foot.ie is personal abuse? You do understand that posting that about the operator of Foot.ie is bound to get your kicked out on your ear, for just plain not being able to understand the rules?

adam

**NY Hoop** · 19/07/2006, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

No, anyone who breaks the rules is barred. The words? Read them?

As to your other comment, you do understand the concept of "personal abuse", yes? You do understand that posting that about anyone on Foot.ie is personal abuse? You do understand that posting that about the operator of Foot.ie is bound to get your kicked out on your ear, for just plain not being able to understand the rules?

adam

Oh I understand your rules alright. But the question is do you understand that when you talk rubbish people tend to react?

Get a life.

KOH

**dahamsta** · 19/07/2006, 4:39 PM

That's a week, you can't say you weren't warned. Feel free not to come back, you'll be no loss to Foot.ie.

adam

**DmanDmythDledge** · 19/07/2006, 4:55 PM

I think the main problem on roads nowadays is what peoples interpretation of speeding is. Speeding is not just going over the speed limit. A speed limit is the very maximum speed that is safe on a particular stretch of road(ok, in some cases they are ridiculously low). Sometimes, even if you are within the speed limit, it is dangerous to be driving at a certian speed. For example, if it is dark and raining heavily, on a busy road with a speed limit of 60mph, it would hardly be safe to drive at that speed. I don't think speeding can be justified, except in ridiculous 40mph zones.

**dancinpants** · 19/07/2006, 5:49 PM

Speed limit signs aren't put in place just for the craic...knowingly breaking the speed limit, and blatantly not heeding road signs makes you a bad driver. That being the case...

..... I'm a ****in' awful driver

(only on freeways though

)

**Gareth** · 19/07/2006, 6:03 PM

If your banning NY Hoop Adam, you are going to have a lot of bannings on your hands, as I have seen worse than that on other threads. Eitherway its your forum, you can do as you wish. Eitherway, I will not debate about driving with you because I drive like a granny!!!

**dahamsta** · 19/07/2006, 6:26 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

If your banning NY Hoop Adam, you are going to have a lot of bannings on your hands

As I say every time someone makes this point, there are hundreds of posts every day on Foot.ie - 400/day atm - and I don't see them all. NY Hoop got banned because he attacked a poster on a personal level, and he did it in front of someone that can do something about it. The fact that he did it in front of me, to me, given my track record in these circumstances, would suggest it was a suicide mission. I don't see why I should take personal abuse when I don't allow it for everyone else. Do you think I should make an exception for myself? (Rhetorical question. I don't and I won't.)

Originally Posted by Gareth

I have seen worse than that on other threads.

If you see people posting like that, or worse than that, you should report the post, because it's against the rules. You'll find instructions on how to do that in the FAQ, in the Support forum.

Eitherway its your forum, you can do as you wish.

Yes, it is; and yes, I will. The rules are there for all to see, and they're the reason why Foot.ie has been around for more than five years, and for nearly half a million posts. If the rules weren't there, Foot.ie would be gone the way of Johnny Ward's forum a long time ago. Would you like to remove the rules and let it descend into chaos? (Rhethorical. I won't.)

Eitherway, I will not debate about driving with you because I drive like a granny!!!

Just as long as you keep up with traffic, that's fine with me. If you pull in when I want to pass, you'll get bonus points. You drive your way and I'll drive mine, and as long as you're not a bad driver, I'll be happy as a pig in muck.

adam

**Gareth** · 19/07/2006, 6:55 PM

BTW
I just read this:

Originally Posted by adam

I fail to see where all the animosity is coming from btw. Are you all that offended that someone might be a better driver that you? (Even though they didn't actually claim that.) Are you all 100% no-backsies convinced that "speeding kills"? No leeway, no acceptance whatsoever that accidents caused by speeding are ultimately caused by a lack of driving skill ("bad driving").

Do you always believe everything your government tells you, or just in this case? Do you think they're completely faultless when it comes to driving standards in this country? Is everything this black and white for you? Only Israel or Palestine can be at fault? The USA is never wrong? The IRA had no members that were in it for Ireland, and not the money?

What a depressing way to live life. It's no wonder you all drive like grannies. (Which I don't believe btw. Not for a second. You'll lecture here, and you'll bump past the speed limit on the way home. One day you'll get caught, and you won't tell anyone for fear of exposing yourself as the hypocrite you are.)

That is a load of trot to be fair. I couldn't give a donkeys if you were a grand prix driver once you obey the speed limit and drive responsibly. As for the rest of your post, what the f..... I have stated bad driving and speeding is an awful combo, but speeding reduces your reaction time and have you ever thought speed limits are not all about the guy driving but the people around you too. Driving on a road is not just about you, its about all the drivers on teh road, and hhence why we regulate speeds to deal with all. If there was no errors then we would live in a perfect world. You being a great driver, still means your prone to error, and I'd rather see you commit that error at a speed were you will not wrtie yourself off.

I was in a car that hit a wall after slipping on ice. 25 miles an hour in a 30 m zone. No harm done. If the car was going 70. That would be a different story

**dahamsta** · 19/07/2006, 7:22 PM

You're going around in circles Gareth. I've covered everything you've said already, I'm not going to repeat myself.

The poll is still 2:1 against, I notice.

adam

**Gareth** · 19/07/2006, 8:12 PM

The poll is stupid Adam.

You have subliminally influenced the vote by linking the words with care with speeding. Anyway you are a lost cause. I hope your arrogance is not punished.

**dancinpants** · 19/07/2006, 8:44 PM

I'm a better driver than dahamsta, I've no way of proving it...I just am!!!

**dahamsta** · 19/07/2006, 9:14 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

The poll is stupid Adam.

You have subliminally influenced the vote by linking the words with care with speeding.

It was entirely superliminal Gareth, to put across a view counter to what I consider a "stupid" suggestion in your first post: that people that speed "go hell for leather", etc. They're not murderous criminals, they're regular people; and they're in the majority. Unfortnately some of them are bad drivers too, but not all of them.

There are plenty of slow drivers in accidents, there are plenty of slow drivers that cause accidents. I call them "bad drivers" too. Are you seeing a pattern?

adam

**Gareth** · 19/07/2006, 9:53 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

It was entirely superliminal Gareth, to put across a view counter to what I consider a "stupid" suggestion in your first post: that people that speed "go hell for leather", etc. They're not murderous criminals, they're regular people; and they're in the majority. Unfortnately some of them are bad drivers too, but not all of them.

There are plenty of slow drivers in accidents, there are plenty of slow drivers that cause accidents. I call them "bad drivers" too. Are you seeing a pattern?

adam

Couldn't give a flying fvck if they are the majority. I still think they should slow down. You seem to think that your either a "bad driver" or not, and there lies the cause of all accidents. Good drivers can have accidents, jesus man, obviously if you crash its the result of a mistake or an error and can be categorized as bad driving. What I am saying is at great speeds your more likely to die. Or cause others to. The one thing I am not stupid enough to think is just cos I can drive my car well, I will not err someday.

Arrogance diminishes wisdom.

**dahamsta** · 19/07/2006, 10:02 PM

Gareth, you're telling me not to have an all-or-nothing approach, when you started the thread with an all-or-nothing approach and continued it throughout; continue it even now. Do you not recognise the hypocrisy of what you're saying? How can you still be missing the point after four pages of this guff?

adam

**Gareth** · 19/07/2006, 10:14 PM

I would say the same of you. Put it to a public poll

**sligoman** · 20/07/2006, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Gareth

Put it to a public poll

I agree, cos theirs no way people voted bad driving worse than speeding.

**dahamsta** · 20/07/2006, 9:09 AM

I won't be replying to this thread again. That suggestion is [edit] offensive. For the record, I have never edited a poll on Foot.ie except for a couple of the first ones that were posted, by me, for the craic; and they were edited in an obvious way. Just because you don't like the result, doesn't mean it isn't accurate.

Sligoman, I don't know if you have a bee in your bonnet over that last thread of yours, but the next time you have an accusation like that to make, you'd do well to keep it to yourself. That's just plain malicious. If you don't want to be a mod on Foot.ie any more, there are better ways to stand down.

adam

**Real ale Madrid** · 20/07/2006, 10:00 AM

I have been reading this thread with particular interest over the last few days. This is because I just bought a car at the weekend, passed the theory test yesterday and was out terrorizing the occupants of the Ballincollig bypass after the Rebel Army�s great win last night, whitening my fathers knuckles slightly!!! I must admit the amount of deaths on roads and the talk on this thread has left me slightly apprehensive about driving in the current climate. Everybody has been so opinionated on this thread that it leaves me a little perplexed. No-one can see other people opinions, but they believe their own opinions to be gospel. It a little bit like being behind the wheel � I�m right and everyone else is wrong.

For what its worth I think that bad driving causes accidents and speeding causes deaths. Driving over the speed limit is irresponsible in my opinion as in all probability if you drive within the speed limit it does not affect your chances of being in an accident � however if you are in an accident the faster you are going will directly impact on weather you survive or die, or weather you are injured or not, regardless of weather the accident was your fault or not.

**Block G Raptor** · 20/07/2006, 10:08 AM

Adam I think its worth pointing out that if a bad driver makes the mistake of doing something stupid in front of you while you're speeding then I would imagine the likelyhood of an accident is greatly increased. how many crashes are there on formula one circuits each year? and they are supposedly the best drivers in the world ffs nobody is Immune from crashing and if you speed then you are more likely to be involved in a smash no matter how much of a superduper whizz kid phyisist/mechanical genius you are or otherwise