Quotehere, but when we get the by into the second round of the champions league it means that were going to drop co-efficent points because its easy to beat the first teams. So when we get a by its going to be tough work for the league.
This is the best I can find, from Bert's site.
Milestones are -
27th (11.665 points) - Bye to second round of the CL
21st (18.540) - Extra UEFA Cup spot
20th (20.200) - Bye to second round of UEFA Cup
16th (21.874) - Bye to third round of the CL
We're on 2.000 this year and not finished yet. Added to last year, and three more years of this - with seeding status - and we'll be knocking on the door of that bye to the CL round two.
Doesn't give info on seeding, but that depends on co-efficient points, and you can read it from here (UEFA Cup) and here (CL). 1.925 of a club coefficient (Lithuania) was the target for seeding in the UEFA this and 1.760 (Macedonia) the target in the CL. We've passed out Belarus and Birkirkara's points (they were seeded this year as they got a draw in the first round of the UEFA Cup in 2002), so we'll be seeded in the CL next year. And for the foreseeable future, really. We've also passed out Iceland, whose champions also had extra points.
Club co-efficient is one-third the national co-efficient plus any points the club gains outside qualifying rounds. So if Derry get through to the First Round of the UEFA Cup and get a draw in one leg, their club co-efficient would be (5.665/3)+0.5=2.388. A Lithuanian team with no extra points would be at 6.999/3=2.333, so they'd be seeded in the UEFA Cup next year.
Last edited by pineapple stu; 11/08/2006 at 7:13 PM.
here, but when we get the by into the second round of the champions league it means that were going to drop co-efficent points because its easy to beat the first teams. So when we get a by its going to be tough work for the league.
Let's get there first and worry about it then?!
Only the bottom one or two of those teams aren't seeded in that draw, of course. So you'd still, once you got settled in, be playing teams then that we're currently beating anyway. Easier passage to the 3rd round => more big games, more money and a guaranteed passage to UEFA Round 1, with double coefficients.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2007.htmlOriginally Posted by sullanefc
That gives you a country ranking and a break down of how each country has performed over the past 5 years and how many countries they have competing in the CL and UEFA Cup.
You can't really tell how many are in wihch competition though.
Do points not count double in the UEFA Cup First Round (Proper) making it:
(5.665/3)+1.0=2.888 ???
I worked it out from Bert's site and put it into an excel sheet. But I know if I post it, it will look rubbish.
Here goes....
Code:Pos Country Pts Tot CLTot CL1st CL2nd CL3rd CLGrp UEFATot UEFA1Q UEFA2Q UEFA1st 1 Spain 58.819 7 4 0 0 2 2 3 0 0 3 2 Italy 55.16 7 4 0 0 2 2 3 0 0 3 3 England 53.04 7 4 0 0 2 2 3 0 0 3 4 France 44.593 6 3 0 0 1 2 3 0 0 3 5 Germany 35.935 6 3 0 0 1 2 3 0 0 3 6 Portug 35.749 6 3 0 0 1 2 3 0 0 3 7 Netherl 31.807 6 2 0 0 1 1 4 0 0 4 8 Romania 31.332 6 2 0 0 1 1 4 0 0 4 9 Russia 30.375 4 2 0 0 1 1 2 0 1 1 10 Belgium 25.875 4 2 0 1 1 0 2 0 1 1 11 Scot 24.875 4 2 0 1 1 0 2 0 1 1 12 Ukraine 24.225 4 2 0 1 1 0 2 0 1 1 13 Bulgar 22.082 4 2 0 1 1 0 2 0 1 1 14 Czech R 21.825 4 2 0 1 1 0 2 0 2 0 15 Greece 21.497 4 2 0 1 1 0 2 0 2 0 16 Turkey 21.441 4 1 0 1 0 0 3 0 3 0 17 Switz 21.15 4 1 0 1 0 0 3 0 3 0 18 Norway 19.225 4 1 0 1 0 0 3 1 2 0 19 Serbia 17.958 4 1 0 1 0 0 3 3 0 0 20 Austria 17.7 4 1 0 1 0 0 3 3 0 0 21 Poland 15.375 4 1 0 1 0 0 3 3 0 0 22 Hungary 14.165 3 1 0 1 0 0 2 2 0 0 23 Denmark 14.075 3 1 0 1 0 0 2 2 0 0 24 Israel 13.208 3 1 0 1 0 0 2 2 0 0 25 Croatia 10.708 3 1 0 1 0 0 2 2 0 0 26 Sweden 10.416 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 27 Cyprus 10.082 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 28 Slovak 9.832 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 29 Sloven 9.79 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 30 Bosnia 9.665 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 31 Latvia 8.498 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 32 Finland 7.331 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 33 Moldova 7.166 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 34 Lithuan 6.999 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 35 Georgia 5.998 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 36 Macedon 5.831 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 37 Ireland 5.665 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 38 Liecht 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 39 Iceland 4.999 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 40 Belarus 4.665 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 41 Albania 3.832 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 42 Armenia 3.498 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 43 Estonia 3.331 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 44 Azerb 2.999 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 45 Kazak 2.332 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 46 N. Ire 2.165 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 47 Wales 1.998 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 48 Faroes 1.665 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 49 Luxemb 1.665 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 50 Malta 1.665 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 51 Andorra 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 52 San Mar 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
Last edited by sullanefc; 13/08/2006 at 4:56 PM. Reason: wrapped in code
The main milestones are:
25th: Bye to second round CL
21st: Extra UEFA cup place
15th: Extra CL place 2nd round and 3rd
9th: 1 X Auto Group stage CL and 1 X 3rd round
8th: 2 extra UEFA (4)
6th: Extra CL place (3), 1 less UEFA (3)
3rd: Extra CL place (4)
BTW if anyone wants that excel sheet I have just pm me. It looks better than the above post.
Duh...Do points not count double in the UEFA Cup First Round (Proper) making it:
(5.665/3)+1.0=2.888 ???
It would, yeah. Thanks! Except the 1 gets added to the 5.665, not the 1.888. So it'd be (5.665+1.000)/3 = 2.221.
sullanefc - try reposting the above but in [ code ] and [/ code ] brackets (without the spaces). If it's a copy and paste from excel, it usually retains the formatting.
3rd and 6th positions are never going to concern us but if scotland can get 11th then so can we. Ok it may be years away but still possible.
Nice one. Looks better now.
A win from either side and we move up to 36th placed in the coefficient and and a draw and win would hopefully move us up to 36th placed depending on other games,
Nice to see Scotland doing bad this year. I think Ireland and Scotland will meet each other soon as Ireland are rising and Scotland are going the other way. I can't see Celtic do much good in the CL either
Some results to start today off -
Both Belarus teams lost and are out, so we won't be dropping any places this year (apart from Liechtenstein, who don't count; Vaduz are beating Basel at the moment; tie level at 1-1
Macedonian team lost in the CL Third Round last night; into the UEFA 1st round.
Georgian team just conceded a late equaliser to Hamburg. Five minutes to go, and they're almost definitely out. That'd bring them up to 6.114.
One Lithuanian team won, one is losing; both are out though. They'd go to 7.332. That's our target for UEFA Cup seeding.
Moldovan team are getting hammered and are going out. They'd be on 7.116.
All Finnish teams are out, and they're on 7.331.
We're on 5.665 at present, so a win in either game and we go above Macedonia.
Co-efficient after Derry game is 2.333.
2.666 at the mo, including a win for Drogs. Only country around us - bar Macedonia - still with a team left. Two in the First Round would be superb - great chance of even one draw and an extra 0.333 points.
Is it not 2.166?
God
Ye my mistake.
So PS's should read 2.500? Still mighty impressive!
God
No he's still right. I doubt he would trust me enough to use my figure!!!So PS's should read 2.500? Still mighty impressive!
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