QuoteGet a Country Ranking of 25 or above.Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Come about 27th.
Not out of question in a few years' time - would have to get about 2.000 points per year, which is only equivalent to winning home and away in your first round match and losing home and away in the second round.
Get a Country Ranking of 25 or above.
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This:http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2009.html
is the page I'm most interested in - Shows the rankings for this year coupled with the last two - since we started stringing together decent results - gives us an idea where we could be ranked in 2009
So what does 1 home, 1 away win and a draw do for us so far? Surely a great start. It will be 2009 before we are back in Europe so will matter then.
With both Icelandic teams losing, we go above them and into the seeded CL spots for a start.
In English can someone explain what results got us 1.833 last year, a bit confused, also what is this year so far? Is it an average of results between teams.
1 point for a win, ˝ for a draw.
Double that when you get out of the qualifying rounds. The InterToto doesn't count. You add every team's points together and divide by the number of teams.
So this season you have Cork winning, Derry winning and Drogs drawing. That's 1+1+.5=2.5, which divided by three is 0.833.
Last year was 2˝ from Shels (two wins v Glentoran and a draw against Steaua), 1 from Longford (Carmarthen win) and 2 from Cork (Ekranes win and two draws against Djurgarden). Total of 5.5, which divided by 3 is 1.833.
Had Cork snuck a draw against Slavia, we'd have gotten an extra point (draw in a round proper is worth double), which would have brought us to 6.5/3 = 2.167.
Any better?
Thanks, thought it was that, the dividing by three through me. Cheers.
we have a right bit of work to do this season to match the 1.833. I think we really need 2 or 3 wins at home. By 2009 if we can keep the results up I think we will be breaking into the 3rd qualifying round a lot more regularly.
Update already! Up to 38th, just half a point off Macedonia now.
almost 37th ! roll on a few more victories
Ensuring seeding next season would be a big step. Nice easy draws & 6 wins & up we go...
Congrats to all 3 teams in Europe but they have to finish the job in the return legs. Then we see how the progression up the table
Agreed. Would be nice to be getting about 1.5 a year or so - would have us knocking on the door of the top 30. Well done to both teams - even better results to get away from home.
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longford got a decent result a season or two ago and then totally messed up the next leg. But all three teams could win their next leg.
derry and drogheda must be expecting to win their home legs now. We'll be happy with a draw in Cyprus, but we should be confident of getting that.
Then you're looking for a couple of more points in the next round and we're making real progress
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Thinking more on what Pete said... (thinking TOO much more to be honest!) anyway...
Seeded next year, and 6 wins in the first round. (CL + 2xUefa) That's 2.0 points a year. do that (alone) for the next 5 years and we will have a nice healthy 10 points and a rank of 26th (on current standings!) Not too bad!
If we got to 25th and we were automatically in the CL 2nd round I assume that would mean we are seeded, right?
The opposition there would still be stiffer than what we would have faced in the CL 3rd round but the points awarded are the same. So are we not better off in the 3rd round (i.e. lower than 25th!) in order to keep getting our 2 (easy?!) points a year?
I would hope though that the standard of football would be raised to a level where if we were 25th in 7 or 8 years time that we would be looking to pick up maximum points from those games and trying to break into the CL group stages.
I see it this way, there are two things that can happen at that stage, (1). A Hadjuk Split style failure and loss of points and revenue!! or (2.) An FC Thun style success and European (group stage) glory and wads of cash.
The problem is this... we don't have to improve much in the next 5 years to be looking at 2 points a year (as long as we are seeded in rd 3) but if we did get into the 25th spot we could fall on our faces in the 2nd round, if we don't improve enough.
We would have to be making rd 3 regularly to finance such a big improvement in football quality. From the Shels game against Deportivo we can see that the extra revenue (there is a pun there, I'm sure!) doesn't last long.
So... now that we are seeded (and lets hope we keep it that way after the second round!) should investors not be falling over themselves to buy into the Irish league? My business head is left somewhere near Worzel Gummidge's good-looking head so bear with me.... but I'm thinking like this... ('thinking' used lightly)
Champions league group stage revenue = ?? 15 million+? (plus all the extra benefits)
Time it takes to get seeded for the 2nd round, 6 years (as above).
1-4 years competing in the 2nd and 3rd round before group qualification!
Total 10 years to group stages!
Cost of subsidising an EL team for 10 years?? (HELP!) 500k - 1million a year 5 - 10 million?
Return in 10 years? 5-10 million+,
Keep that qualification going and its 5-10 million a year! - minus increasing costs of a better team + extra sponsorships and gate receipts etc... (see how my plan is great! where is my check-book?) You certainly will not get that return buying into Sunderland! or Chelsea for that matter!
Another question? do Irish teams represent a better investment than say the ten teams above then in the co-efficients? Are we cheaper to buy? have a bigger fan base/potential fan base? need less development (stadia etc...)? have a well organised FA (please hold back laughter)? good grass level football? Your thoughts please?
I here Ollie Byrne talking about a 10 million investment from somewhere over the next so-many years, this is the kind of thing that could insure a 2 points a year co-efficient and further progress!
Well that's it. I've said enough/too much.
Dave out.
What did it say in the magical Genesis Report - the league should be ranked in the top 20 within 5 years or something? And they just pulled this number out of their arse without having a clue how the rankings work or bothering to do any research?
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Seeing as were on theory stage, if a club could generate the revenue, to get to the next step, how many players in our current league would get in the team? I mean would it be a case of trying to attract back Irish lads at Chamionship level, or maybe have 11 non nationals?
If clubs got to that level, then they would be able to attract young Irish players that are over in the UK (the Anthony Stoke's and Darren Gibsons)back on at least a loan basis, surely.Add to that a few foreign players, and a lot of the current breed of EL players could well be good enough.It's all about infastrcture though - we need to attract the young Irish lads to stay.
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