Where Rovers and Shels went next...

**higgins** · 12/07/2006, 9:52 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You're right Dodge...we're missing the fundamental element of this thread!

Anybody can "have plans". Ollie's "had plans" for months now, if not years. Athlone, Cobh, Bray, UCD and Longford have sufficiently plausible plans to be given grant money. Nothing for Shels though. Wonder why.

Longford Cobh and Bray are in the grounds they want to improve.
Athlone have a half a stand built for months now and need to finish it.
UCD have the land secured I assume and this money will go towards the development.

Shels do not need money for Tolka as we wont be there!

As for Santry, its a complicated issue as there is currently money going towards the stadium from a few councils and Clonliffe Harriers. There is still discussions going on about what will happen to Morton Stadium.

What kind of grant would you ask for if you were Shels?

**sonofstan** · 12/07/2006, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

What kind of grant would you ask for if you were Shels?

a grant of probate

**pineapple stu** · 12/07/2006, 10:11 PM

I thought there was an announcement on the ground due about now? If you had a plan, you'd at least surely apply to get some money to put in place the improvements needed in the plan? You don't have to spend the money immediately, don't forget. But it'd be nice to see someone outside the club showing some confidence in this "plan".

**kdjaC** · 12/07/2006, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

As for Santry, its a complicated issue as there is currently money going towards the stadium from a few councils and Clonliffe Harriers. There is still discussions going on about what will happen to Morton Stadium.

What about Whitehall? Or have the club stopped looking for a ground and fully settled on Santry? Its there and im sure Shels would have /are looking at it as an option.

kdjac

**Jerry The Saint** · 12/07/2006, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

What kind of grant would you ask for if you were Shels?

Tony Grant?

Originally Posted by higgins

Where will you be playing your football

Best bit of boasting I've seen in a while - "You lot are going to be screwed when the ground you're currently renting gets reposessed from it's owners... So there!"

**higgins** · 12/07/2006, 10:24 PM

define "screwed"

**BohsFans** · 12/07/2006, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

define "screwed"

Shelbourne Football Club

**BohsFans** · 12/07/2006, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You're right Dodge...we're missing the fundamental element of this thread!

Anybody can "have plans". Ollie's "had plans" for months now, if not years. Athlone, Cobh, Bray, UCD and Longford have sufficiently plausible plans to be given grant money. Nothing for Shels though. Wonder why.

What the hell are UCD, a bowl & �1,250,000 gonna do together?

**Dr.Nightdub** · 12/07/2006, 10:46 PM

Play rugby by the sound of it. All of a sudden that "wear your Leinster jersey" promotion starts to make sense. Maybe that's their cunning plan in response to Delaney wanting to shaft them over the new league criteria: pocket a load of his government grant money, switch to being a rugby club and flip Dear John the finger when he looks for his wad back..

**Dr.Nightdub** · 12/07/2006, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

As for Santry, its a complicated issue as there is currently money going towards the stadium from a few councils and Clonliffe Harriers. There is still discussions going on about what will happen to Morton Stadium.

Higgins, it's not so complicated that you couldn't read Fingal Co. Council's statement on it - just cos Shelbourne don't release statements doesn't mean no-one else does.

FCC own Morton, they manage it and fund it, Clonliffe Harriers are the anchor tenants with guaranteed tenancy rights. They have those rights in return for turning the stadium over to FCC (which is one council, not "a few"). The most FCC will give you is a lease agreement. Someone else can give you the link, I can't be bothered.

The only complication is for you lot deciding whether long-term, you want to play second fiddle to Rovers in Tallaght or some bunch of pole-vaulters in Santry. Neither of which is gonna happen anytime soon.

**higgins** · 12/07/2006, 11:09 PM

Are Fingal County Council the only Council putting money into Morton ?
Dublin City, Fingal County and South County was what I called a few.

It might come as a surprise to you but all we had on Tolka was a lease too.

If I was in the hot seat at Tolka I'd do 101 things different but I'm not.

**Dodge** · 12/07/2006, 11:11 PM

Or they could play second fiddle to Pats.

Or try building their own place

**hoops1** · 13/07/2006, 11:04 AM

Is this the sweetner for relegating UCD?

**Schumi** · 13/07/2006, 11:44 AM

Do the FAI have any input into how these grants are allocated or do the clubs just apply directly to the government?

**hoops1** · 13/07/2006, 11:45 AM

Im not sure but they have a very close working relationship

**Dodge** · 13/07/2006, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Do the FAI have any input into how these grants are allocated or do the clubs just apply directly to the government?

FAI basically decide who gets them AFAIK. D/Sport just check the legalities of it (Tax compliant, Planning permission, etc)

**BohDiddley** · 13/07/2006, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Why? Do you still subscribe to the theory that we're funded by the college?

I don't know to what extent you are funded by the college. Are you saying that your association with the college brings you no benefit, direct or indirect, apart from the tens of undergraduates that flock to UCD games? If you are saying that UCD do not benefit from the likes of eased facility overheads and player incentives, I'm happy to accept that at face value.
But I still don't think that an outfit called after a college is a proper football club.

**Dodge** · 13/07/2006, 12:08 PM

As opposed to a club named after a group of travellers?

**pineapple stu** · 13/07/2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Are you saying that your association with the college brings you no benefit, direct or indirect?

It does. But no more than any county council helps out most football clubs, I would imagine.

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

But I still don't think that an outfit called after a college is a proper football club.

Now that's just stupid. See Dodge's post.

Originally Posted by BohsFans

What the hell are UCD, a bowl & �1,250,000 gonna do together?

If it were me, I'd be dividing the money by the cost of a six-pack in my head.

Seriously, though (other UCD fans who know it better, feel free to correct me), the college has decided that Belfield Park is to be knocked and built on. The college is selling off its outlying areas (e.g. Earlsfort Terrace, etc) and moving everything to campus. So they're getting a bit pressed for space. They've decided that there's no point having two separate grounds for rugby and football when they can move the two in together. This'd be in the Belfield Bowl out beside the Sports Centre. There's planning permission in for a ground to minimum UEFA Licencing standards (with possibilities to expand if necessary), with the hope of being open for next season, though that seems a bit close now. The permission is currently being held up by some aul biddy who apparently makes a habit of objecting to everything the college does.

The club had, a few years ago, designed a four-part plan to turn Belfield Park into a 4000 seater ground or so, with a 1200 seater cantilever stand on the hill, but obviously this had to be shelved once the college came up with its own plans.

It'll be interesting to see how the groundshare with the rugby team goes. On the one hand, it's a rugby pitch. On the other hand, the college do, in fairness to them, have a track record of building top-notch sporting facilities - viz the international hockey arena, the athletics track used for many senior events, the Sports Centre itself, etc. So hopefully it'll work out!