What Should the LDMC be Doing for Clubs ?

**larrywhite** · 07/11/2006, 1:55 PM

Hi Poloman,

I know its very disheartening but if teams up the higher divisions were in the same boat then more players would feel exactly like you do and think about packing it in or switching to nightowls.

As always its the teams who come through periods like this who end up doing well. Same as the Xmas period when some teams dont meet for 2 or 3 weeks. Its very hard to get back into it but those who train at least once a week come back in better shape.

As for bringing this to the LDMC, the simple truth is that there are not enough refs (or enough who will do 2 games on a Sunday). For everyone to have a game on a Sunday they need more refs and/or less teams. But, in the meantime the fixtures should be made a lot more fairly instead of just the higher divisions (outside permier) getting a game every week and just fitting in the lower leagues when they can.

I wont be attending the meeting tonight but I will getting the club to ask a few questions at the AGM. One of the questions will be regarding the fees and why one team gets over 30 games for their fee and another team might only get 15 games. How can that be fair?

**Old keeper** · 07/11/2006, 5:26 PM

Originally Posted by larrywhite

Hi Poloman,

I know its very disheartening but if teams up the higher divisions were in the same boat then more players would feel exactly like you do and think about packing it in or switching to nightowls.

As always its the teams who come through periods like this who end up doing well. Same as the Xmas period when some teams dont meet for 2 or 3 weeks. Its very hard to get back into it but those who train at least once a week come back in better shape.

As for bringing this to the LDMC, the simple truth is that there are not enough refs (or enough who will do 2 games on a Sunday). For everyone to have a game on a Sunday they need more refs and/or less teams. But, in the meantime the fixtures should be made a lot more fairly instead of just the higher divisions (outside permier) getting a game every week and just fitting in the lower leagues when they can.

I wont be attending the meeting tonight but I will getting the club to ask a few questions at the AGM. One of the questions will be regarding the fees and why one team gets over 30 games for their fee and another team might only get 15 games. How can that be fair?

Hi Lar

Good points and in particular the one regarding the fees, It is difficult however to match fees tot he size of the division. The issue with refs is a sticky one but one that can be overcome with a little lateral thinking. We have a fine facility in Jackman and if teams are willing to play mid week in the evenings we could look at putting any games off at the weekends in there. this would require the home team giving up home advantage but I dont see this being a big problem. Another option is to switch some of the lower leagues to artificial pitches if there are back games and this would allow midweek games to take place also. I am sure we can overcome the problems but we need to have some clubs express themselves. Glad to hear your club will be vocal this evening.

Before anyone looses the head the artificial pitch idea is just that, but in my own humble opinion it is one worth exploring as there are now FIFA games being played on these pitches. the costs would need to be bourne by the league and the refs would be paid by the home team and of course both teams would need to agree to the switch of time and venue.

**lim abroad** · 07/11/2006, 6:19 PM

we play on artificial pitches the whole time here in the states and i've no complaints about it,some of the artificial fields are like real grass nowadays

**3 Heroes** · 07/11/2006, 6:31 PM

By playing on artificial pitches it opens the way to play evening games (which would free up refs from having to do 2 games in a day) as well as negating the chance of pitches being unplayable.

**larrywhite** · 07/11/2006, 6:54 PM

Originally Posted by Old keeper

Hi Lar

Good points and in particular the one regarding the fees, It is difficult however to match fees tot he size of the division. The issue with refs is a sticky one but one that can be overcome with a little lateral thinking. We have a fine facility in Jackman and if teams are willing to play mid week in the evenings we could look at putting any games off at the weekends in there. this would require the home team giving up home advantage but I dont see this being a big problem. Another option is to switch some of the lower leagues to artificial pitches if there are back games and this would allow midweek games to take place also. I am sure we can overcome the problems but we need to have some clubs express themselves. Glad to hear your club will be vocal this evening.

Before anyone looses the head the artificial pitch idea is just that, but in my own humble opinion it is one worth exploring as there are now FIFA games being played on these pitches. the costs would need to be bourne by the league and the refs would be paid by the home team and of course both teams would need to agree to the switch of time and venue.

Hi Oldkeeper, thanks for the reply. By the time you see this you will probably have noticed that we werent at the meeting tonight. I said in the previous post that we would wait till the AGM to voice any opinions. The main reason for that is the current committee in my club is a but up in the air so that has to be sorted out first.

You have a couple of very good ideas there on games in jackman or on artificial grass. Personally I would always prefer grass but Im sure you would get quite a few takers for playing on artificial surfaces.

Hope the meeting tonight was constructive.

**ffffff** · 08/11/2006, 8:20 AM

Hi Old Keeper
any news or anything happen at the meeting last night
cheers

**Old keeper** · 08/11/2006, 9:36 AM

Hi All

Following Last nights delegate meeting some clubs feel that I am bringing discredit on the LDMC by posting on this site. I will not post again until this matter has been discussed by the committee and following that meeting if the committee agree with the accusation I will not be posting in any capacity.

If any of you feel that My posts on this site have been bringing the committee into disrepute I urge you to mail the secretary of the league on the other hand if you feel that my posts have not been bringing the league into disrepute you might mail as well

The league secretary can be contacted at secretary@ldmc.ie

So Bye for a week

**ffffff** · 08/11/2006, 10:26 AM

That is very very harsh, I think you are a credit to the league, totally honest and willing to listen....................

**CousinSylDolan** · 08/11/2006, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by ffffff

That is very very harsh, I think you are a credit to the league, totally honest and willing to listen....................

Totally agree... I think Oldkeeper has been a very fair and useful link between clubs and committee...

You cant please some clubs I suppose can you.

**Hoops 1967** · 08/11/2006, 10:42 AM

Old Keeper, your posts on this website have been excellent. You are a direct and informal contact between the people who are involved in junior football and the people running junior football in Limerick. I think it will be a step backwards if you are no longer allowed to post replies on this website. It appears that the committee is trying to censor you, I wonder why???

**silvercircle** · 08/11/2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by ffffff

That is very very harsh, I think you are a credit to the league, totally honest and willing to listen....................

oldkeepers comments in the "is sportsmanship dead" thread about the Pike chairman is not what you would expect from somebody that holds a position within LDMC, oldkeeper was a little naive to say the least to express his opinion in this way, while most might agree with him, and the point he was trying to make, his name and shame policy did him no favours.

**Goals4fun** · 08/11/2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by silvercircle

oldkeepers comments in the "is sportsmanship dead" thread about the Pike chairman is not what you would expect from somebody that holds a position within LDMC, oldkeeper was a little naive to say the least to express his opinion in this way, while most might agree with him, and the point he was trying to make, his name and shame policy did him no favours.

he was not representing the league on that post , but his own opinions. Is he not allowed to have them?
I am sure the rest of the league members over the last few years have their opinions but they control them till they meet together and do their favours.

Old keeper was a breath of fresh air and it seems that he was fratanizing with the public and the committee did not like that. Have they something to hide ? (probably!!!!)

**CousinSylDolan** · 08/11/2006, 11:03 AM

Oldkeeper said "some clubs feel that I am bringing discredit on the LDMC"

It was not the committee that asked him to stop posting it was some club(s)
He explained he would not be posting again until he meets with the rest of the committee to get their views...
I wonder which club(s) asked him to stop posting as he was "bringing discredit on the LDMC"

I could hazard a guess....

**MitreSize5** · 08/11/2006, 4:07 PM

Originally Posted by CousinSylDolan

Oldkeeper said "some clubs feel that I am bringing discredit on the LDMC"

It was not the committee that asked him to stop posting it was some club(s)
He explained he would not be posting again until he meets with the rest of the committee to get their views...
I wonder which club(s) asked him to stop posting as he was "bringing discredit on the LDMC"

I could hazard a guess....

you dont have to be sherlock holmes to work this one out ... typical

**Roadend** · 08/11/2006, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by silvercircle

oldkeepers comments in the "is sportsmanship dead" thread about the Pike chairman is not what you would expect from somebody that holds a position within LDMC, oldkeeper was a little naive to say the least to express his opinion in this way, while most might agree with him, and the point he was trying to make, his name and shame policy did him no favours.

Spot on, Im afraid he shot himself in the foot slightly with that one.

**Poloman** · 13/11/2006, 9:42 AM

IT. IS. A. FORUM.

People should be allowed to say what they like.

**Roadend** · 13/11/2006, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Poloman

IT. IS. A. FORUM.

People should be allowed to say what they like.

Of course you can say what you like, but you cannot dictate how someone will interpret what you say, which is the problem.

**Goals4fun** · 13/11/2006, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Roadend

Of course you can say what you like, but you cannot dictate how someone will interpret what you say, which is the problem.

not really his fault so ?

**Roadend** · 13/11/2006, 10:37 AM

The opposite obviously.

**Goals4fun** · 13/11/2006, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Roadend

The opposite obviously.

when people read things they take what they want from it. if you want to twist it you can. people interpert things differently.

all in all it is bad to have him silenced !!