What Should the LDMC be Doing for Clubs ?

**see's it** · 25/10/2006, 7:56 AM

cut the amount of teams playing in the leagues some of the distances to travel is abit much.clubs who have two teams hanging around the last 4 divisons should be told they can enter only 1 team

**Hoops 1967** · 25/10/2006, 8:05 AM

Originally Posted by abbeyvale

Well said, I agree.
I think we should be looking at playing more games on a Saturday as well as maybe even a longer break for refs on a Sunday.

So instead of a ref doing a game at 1030, and getting home at 1pm and then heading off at 1.45pm to do a 2.30pm game, maybe have some later kick offs on a Sunday, ie; 3.30 or even 4pm, just ideas, dont bite my head off.

And I know before you say it, some players will be working on Saturday, but like I said these are just ideas........

Anyone anything else to add????

I think Saturday afternoon football is a great idea. You could have games kick off at 2:30. I know a lot of people work on a Saturday so they can continue to play Sunday football, but most people don't work Saturdays so a Saturday league would suit a lot of people. Even if they just started with two divisions to see how it worked out.

**Hoops 1967** · 25/10/2006, 8:11 AM

Originally Posted by see's it

cut the amount of teams playing in the leagues some of the distances to travel is abit much.clubs who have two teams hanging around the last 4 divisons should be told they can enter only 1 team

Some clubs have C teams playing in the lower leagues, surely an A and B team is enough.
Why are there so many country teams in the league. Sometimes you have to travel half way across county limerick to play a match, to places like ballylanders and kilfinnane, why when there are more than enough city teams to play. After all there is the desmond league for the country teams to play in.

**Roadend** · 25/10/2006, 8:53 AM

Originally Posted by Hoops 1967

Some clubs have C teams playing in the lower leagues, surely an A and B team is enough.

I think by virtue of the fact there are C teams, it shows that A and B teams are not enough for some clubs, obviously. Some clubs have a lot more players in their catchment areas than others.

**larrywhite** · 25/10/2006, 9:06 AM

Originally Posted by Old keeper

Please Please have your club write to the committee, It is not possible to make changes if the clubs do not request or support the changes.

Will do. Thanks Oldkeeper.

On the Saturday thing, Im sure its worth a try but there are a couple of problems here with regard to schoolboy football. First of all its the same refs doing both junior and schoolboy so already you have a clash. And then you have the fact that most clubs with junior teams have schoolboy teams also. Where are you going to play these games? Most clubs only have one pitch.

In my own opinion I think you would be better off postponing the bottom 4 divisions until April and then it would be possible to play 2 games a week or you could have higher divisions midweek and lower divisions at weekend or vice versa. Thing is...this would not be as bad had the lower leagues played a few midweek games this season.

As for teams out in the country, in the main I have no problem, but 3 times in the last 3 seasons we have travelled out to Knockainey and the game has not gone ahead. Twice this was for an unplayable pitch. Extremely infuriating when it was obvious to all that the game should have been called off the day before and they couldnt be bothered. Let the city boys travel out for the laugh.

There is also a fair point about the number of teams down there. There are a few clubs with either both their A and B teams down in those divisions or a club has their B and C teams down there. Its a bit ridiculous that a club can have their A team in 3B and their B team in 4B or have their B and C teams in 4A and 4B. Whats the sense in that? One club in particular are known for signing all their players B and concentrate on winning either their B teams league or cup and giving walkovers in their A teams cup.

**Old keeper** · 25/10/2006, 9:13 AM

Hi All
Judging by the level of frustration it is obvious that there needs to be a release. At the next meeting I will propose that we have a meeting of all clubs in the lower divisions to discuss the most appropriate way forward as the levels of disruption to players and clubs is becoming far beyond what is acceptable.

**Jock MIB** · 25/10/2006, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by Old keeper

Hi All
Judging by the level of frustration it is obvious that there needs to be a release. At the next meeting I will propose that we have a meeting of all clubs in the lower divisions to discuss the most appropriate way forward as the levels of disruption to players and clubs is becoming far beyond what is acceptable.

hi old keeper,

i think that needs to happen,

**Jock MIB** · 25/10/2006, 9:21 AM

will i tell my team the game is off as well

**Old keeper** · 25/10/2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by holycrossjock

will i tell my team the game is off as well

If there is no Ref the game is Off, sorry!

**larrywhite** · 25/10/2006, 10:34 AM

Good idea Old keeper.

At least we know early that games are off. Can plan my Sunday in the pub now.

**Jock MIB** · 25/10/2006, 10:34 AM

hi old keeper,

i just hope the ldmc will be understanding later on the season and not hand out fines to clubs in lower divsions when they will not be able to field a team due to the fact the have lost players due to lack of games, cause i'm positive if the situation isn't resolved that scenario will happen to some club.

**see's it** · 25/10/2006, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by larrywhite

Good idea Old keeper.

At least we know early that games are off. Can plan my Sunday in the pub now.

you'd be in there if it was on aswell

**larrywhite** · 25/10/2006, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by see's it

you'd be in there if it was on aswell

Very true. But not as early.

**Soccer Lover** · 25/10/2006, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by Old keeper

If there is no Ref the game is Off, sorry!

Judging by the weather all games will be off

**Limeref** · 25/10/2006, 4:11 PM

Originally Posted by Old keeper

Hi Limeref

I applaud any referee who turns up for a game (I would be responsible for my fair share of abuse over the years but i think I dont cross the line too often an will always smile and forget after the game) part of our problem in Limerick is the degree of confrontation between the different bodies responsible for soccer. we all need to work closer together and the problems can and will be worked out.

I agree that you do not cross the line that often, and when you do you appologise and shake hands after the game.

Clubs try and influence referees during the game (thats natural) but when a decision does not go their way they turn nasty. After the game they make their displeasure known and contine with their abuse until I either leave the venue or get into the dressing room.

This happens from Premier to 4B

I have no problems with the individual members of the LDMC, but I feel that any report that I have furnished hasn't been acted on (ie the offenders punished)

I agree that the different bodies need to work together,

referees need to be more hardline when dealing with offenders
LDMC need to meet out serious punishment to serial offenders
clubs have to take responsibility for their players/managers and supporters

Only when the above is done will the game in Limerick get better

**Jock MIB** · 25/10/2006, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by Limeref

I agree that you do not cross the line that often, and when you do you appologise and shake hands after the game.

Clubs try and influence referees during the game (thats natural) but when a decision does not go their way they turn nasty. After the game they make their displeasure known and contine with their abuse until I either leave the venue or get into the dressing room.

This happens from Premier to 4B

I have no problems with the individual members of the LDMC, but I feel that any report that I have furnished hasn't been acted on (ie the offenders punished)

I agree that the different bodies need to work together,

referees need to be more hardline when dealing with offenders
LDMC need to meet out serious punishment to serial offenders
clubs have to take responsibility for their players/managers and supporters

Only when the above is done will the game in Limerick get better

hi limeref

i agree with you, i was disciplined this year after a referee's report for doing a steve staunton... i was fined by the ldmc and totally agreed with the decision as i was out of order... i won't say i'm a completely changed man but i have definately a lot more respect for what refs do for our leagues..
and i think thats what all of us should do is show respect for all refs

**summervilleman** · 25/10/2006, 5:50 PM

here here

**Old keeper** · 25/10/2006, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by Limeref

I agree that you do not cross the line that often, and when you do you appologise and shake hands after the game.

Clubs try and influence referees during the game (thats natural) but when a decision does not go their way they turn nasty. After the game they make their displeasure known and contine with their abuse until I either leave the venue or get into the dressing room.

This happens from Premier to 4B

I have no problems with the individual members of the LDMC, but I feel that any report that I have furnished hasn't been acted on (ie the offenders punished)

I agree that the different bodies need to work together,

referees need to be more hardline when dealing with offenders
LDMC need to meet out serious punishment to serial offenders
clubs have to take responsibility for their players/managers and supporters

Only when the above is done will the game in Limerick get better

I can say that the level of consistancy in relation to dicipline has improved and if a report has a serious offence the matter will be dealt with. We have issued two 12 month suspensions to players this season based on the referees reports, and the word is out that any serious infringment will be dealt with
My own opinion is that We should have meetings with the refs on a more regular basis and the code of conduct for clubs and managers should be agreed by both bodies. This would enable better communication and a much better understanding of decision making on all sides.

**abbeyvale** · 25/10/2006, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Old keeper

I can say that the level of consistancy in relation to dicipline has improved and if a report has a serious offence the matter will be dealt with. We have issued two 12 month suspensions to players this season based on the referees reports, and the word is out that any serious infringment will be dealt with
My own opinion is that We should have meetings with the refs on a more regular basis and the code of conduct for clubs and managers should be agreed by both bodies. This would enable better communication and a much better understanding of decision making on all sides.

We all know Robert Earls was one, who was the other to receive a 12month ban??

**Roadend** · 26/10/2006, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Old keeper

My own opinion is that We should have meetings with the refs on a more regular basis and the code of conduct for clubs and managers should be agreed by both bodies. This would enable better communication and a much better understanding of decision making on all sides.

What of refs who blatantly go out of their way to be biased against teams.(not just my own I must add, I've seen him do it to teams in my general area too) There's one in particular, who I'd love to name and shame, that does it. They are immune from action and yet players are meant to show restraint at the same time. Not easy I can tell you. Complain to the LDMC and you find him reffing even more of your matches, is what I've found on past experiences.