What Should the LDMC be Doing for Clubs ?

**Old keeper** · 26/10/2006, 9:12 AM

Originally Posted by Roadend

What of refs who blatantly go out of their way to be biased against teams.(not just my own I must add, I've seen him do it to teams in my general area too) There's one in particular, who I'd love to name and shame, that does it. They are immune from action and yet players are meant to show restraint at the same time. Not easy I can tell you. Complain to the LDMC and you find him reffing even more of your matches, is what I've found on past experiences.

Hi Road end

There are new proceedures in the FAI for isuuing complaints against referees these are very strict and will make a difference, I know when I play, sometimes I think the ref is really against us but that is biased and when you look at it in the cold light of day it seems that they were just bad decisions. I am not saying that there are no refs who would be biased against teams but I dont know of them. Complaining to the LDMC regarding a referees decisions on the field of play is a difficult one as it is usually one team who complains and this leaves us in a bit of a quandry as the winning team is usually happy, however we do try to tak all sides into account.

**Old keeper** · 26/10/2006, 9:13 AM

Originally Posted by abbeyvale

We all know Robert Earls was one, who was the other to receive a 12month ban??

Your watching my posts long enough now to know better than to ask me that!

**Limeref** · 26/10/2006, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Roadend

What of refs who blatantly go out of their way to be biased against teams.(not just my own I must add, I've seen him do it to teams in my general area too) There's one in particular, who I'd love to name and shame, that does it. They are immune from action and yet players are meant to show restraint at the same time. Not easy I can tell you. Complain to the LDMC and you find him reffing even more of your matches, is what I've found on past experiences.

There are 4 reasons why a team can feel a referee is biased against them

1. He is having a poor game
2. He is biased against them (can happen but is not very often)
3. The referee is poor
4. The team(s) don't actually know the rules

1. This can happen, a referee can just have an off day (some have more than others)

2. If this happens there is no excuse

3. Every referee starting out is poor, he only gets better with experence, until he has that experence teams will feel shortchanged. Every game a referee will learn something new, and a referee will be his own worst critic.

4. Just look at the thread(s) that "The Ref" has set up on the quiz, not many know the rules 100%, so you can feel that a referee was biased against you, where in fact he was only implementing the rules.

Also as Old Keeper said, the winners of the match will usually be happy and won't feel that the referee was bad or, as happened to me, both teams felt that I was biased againt them - explain that?

**leather** · 26/10/2006, 10:15 AM

Was at a match last sunday and the ref, who i had previously considered one of the top refs in town, was in charge. Don't know what happened him but man he had a stinker!.. For the 1st time that i have ever heard of, the ref spoke to our manager after the match and expressed his own opinion that he had just had a stinker...our manager was taken aback but understood, situ explained to players. because of this small bit of humility by the ref his standing in the eyes of the players and the manager actually improved...maybe a few more could learn from this guy... i now have a higher opinion of this ref because of this...

**Limeref** · 26/10/2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by leather

Was at a match last sunday and the ref, who i had previously considered one of the top refs in town, was in charge. Don't know what happened him but man he had a stinker!.. For the 1st time that i have ever heard of, the ref spoke to our manager after the match and expressed his own opinion that he had just had a stinker...our manager was taken aback but understood, situ explained to players. because of this small bit of humility by the ref his standing in the eyes of the players and the manager actually improved...maybe a few more could learn from this guy... i now have a higher opinion of this ref because of this...

In fairness, there are only certain clubs a referee could do that and have it received in the positive manner that it was taken. I could name at least 10 clubs that I wouldn't get away with that.

But fair play to the referee in question - I think I know who it was

**larrywhite** · 26/10/2006, 10:33 AM

That was very good by that ref. You are true though about refs willing to talk to management. The best refs in my opinion are more than willing to talk to you or the players about any decisions. They also have no problem having a chat before the game or after.

Those refs who show up thinking they are Collina and on some power trip, acting like school headmasters are the worst. There are a few of them around who treat every player and coach/manager like a child and dish out cards for fun and under no circumstances will talk to anyone about any decision they make. These are usually the guys who end up getting most grief from players and its all of their own making.

**Roadend** · 26/10/2006, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Limeref

Also as Old Keeper said, the winners of the match will ussually be happy and won't feel that the referee was bad or, as happened to me, both teams felt that I was biased againt them - explain that?

We've won a lot of of times we've had this guy, but it was despite him. Its certainly not a case of him just giving poor decisions. The entire team groans at the sight of him being down to ref our games. Its been like this for 4 seasons at this stage. I know the rules of the game and I know how they should be implemented. Fairness is the issue here. Its only this one guy I have to stress, but it really is an utter joke.

**Jock MIB** · 26/10/2006, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Roadend

We've won a lot of of times we've had this guy, but it was despite him. Its certainly not a case of him just giving poor decisions. The entire team groans at the sight of him being down to ref our games. Its been like this for 4 seasons at this stage. I know the rules of the game and I know how they should be implemented. Fairness is the issue here. Its only this one guy I have to stress, but it really is an utter joke.

you can always get frustrated with this but to put in the simpliest form... this ref doesn't ref two teams,or even four if the ref does two games a week, don't get a game of soccer... these ref's give up there time we need to respect that a bit more as suggestions say lets have more communication it can only help this situtation.

**MitreSize5** · 26/10/2006, 12:07 PM

I dont think the refs in town are that bad except for one notable exception. Its not thats he biased against particular teams it he's so biased FOR one particualr team and strangley he seems to be down to ref them quite often, courtesy of the fixture sec.

any budding sherlock homles out there?

In fairness to the others around they have more good days than bad in the most thankless job in football

**Soccer Lover** · 26/10/2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by MitreSize5

I dont think the refs in town are that bad except for one notable exception. Its not thats he biased against particular teams it he's so biased FOR one particualr team and strangley he seems to be down to ref them quite often, courtesy of the fixture sec.

any budding sherlock homles out there?

In fairness to the others around they have more good days than bad in the most thankless job in football

FON Balla

**Limeref** · 26/10/2006, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by MitreSize5

I dont think the refs in town are that bad ...

In fairness to the others around they have more good days than bad in the most thankless job in football

I agree, most of our referees are good quality.

Also the Society are working to improve the all the referees in town by holding development meetings monthly, and I can tell you they are very helpful.

I hope you all see the results on the field of play

**Jock MIB** · 26/10/2006, 1:12 PM

why did that question have to be answered this thread is about what the ldmc can do for the clubs, not witch hunt officials.... simple facts are with no refs no games... what would you then do with your sunday afternoons. so can we have ideas suggestions on how all teams in the league can get games and work with officials. jesus lads it isn't the premiership

and the officials decision if there are wrong or right don't mean its the end of the world as we know it, so a bit of a reality check why don't you try referee a match and see whats it like... would be interesting to see from a different prospective

**Old keeper** · 28/10/2006, 1:07 PM

Hi

The LDL have called a Delegate meeting on the 7th Nov in the Boro club the meeting will start at 9pm sharp and will enlighten clubs as to the single reason why the league treasurer was suspended. Any other rumors relating to the committee's decisions will aslo be addressed including the one of sitting members canvassing to have the committee removed.

**Jock MIB** · 30/10/2006, 10:18 AM

When are the new fixtures being printed and is there leagues game this weekend for lower divisions?

**Old keeper** · 30/10/2006, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by holycrossjock

When are the new fixtures being printed and is there leagues game this weekend for lower divisions?

Hi Jock

Bit of a delay in getting the dates from the FS but as soon as I have them they will be up.

**Jock MIB** · 30/10/2006, 11:23 AM

no probs, have fingers crossed we have game this weekend

**3 Heroes** · 30/10/2006, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by holycrossjock

no probs, have fingers crossed we have game this weekend

It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to play 3 games between now and February

**Jock MIB** · 30/10/2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by 3 Heroes

It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to play 3 games between now and February

been very mild winter so far, this global warming thing is starting to kick in...

**Jock MIB** · 30/10/2006, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by 3 Heroes

It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to play 3 games between now and February

i think alan aka (larrywhite) is thinking more the in way of " It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to see 3 heros play 3 games between now and end of season "

**3 Heroes** · 30/10/2006, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by holycrossjock

i think alan aka (larrywhite) is thinking more the in way of " It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to see 3 heros play 3 games between now and end of season "

You've yet to experience my "skills"