Rico having a go at clubs in trouble

**Macy** · 04/07/2006, 11:12 AM

Personally think it's a bit harsh on Monaghan. They're working on their infrastructural set up, with the astro pitches and the like, and at least have a community in which they have some chance of building up a fan base. I'd agree with CHF, who really bring nothing from what I can see.

**joeSoap** · 04/07/2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

These clubs have no future in the league and would be better served in junior ball.

KOH

Surely a club with a proper structure, own ground, and not depending on the goodwill of other clubs and the government to constantly bail them out for over 22 years now would serve more purpose to Irish football than the likes of Shamrock Rovers, who have, quite frankly, been a disgrace to both the league and themselves for over two decades now.

You've got some nerve slagging off Monaghan or any other team in the league. You speak of Monaghan only being fit for junior football, well, I can name at least half a dozen junior clubs that are in much better shape than Rovers. Stop living off the glory days and the name 'Shamrock Rovers' and concentrate on getting ye're heads above water before the glasshouse ye seem to be living in comes crashing down around ye. Even Dublin City have made a more credible effort to be a football club over the past 5 years than ye have.

I wish Rovers all the best in their bid to become a big club again, I really do, but please don't sneer or condescend to what only Shamrock Rovers consider to be inferior. Its not nice.

**NY Hoop** · 04/07/2006, 11:28 AM

As I said it seems this cant be debated properly without the above happening. From a league point of view I asked a question but of course you have the typical anti Rovers mongs on abusing Rovers.

FYI there is nobody at the club "living off the glory days" and we are now in a much better position financially than we ever were.

But hey dont let that get in the way of a debate

Glasshouse? Dont think so pal. CHF? You're having a laugh.

KOH

**passerrby** · 04/07/2006, 12:54 PM

your right hoop this should not decend into a slagging match i have great time for the 400 club who are attempting to drag you into this century but your only critiea seems to be success on the field no matter what the costs and if we learned anything from the last twenty years that is stupity,
If you get 700 at a home game after paying out rent and security the pot is empty we get 300 a lot less income but no landlord and a small security bill and the knowledge that we will reinvest any profit back into our community football programmes that we believe will build a fanbase . this may no be the best plan but it is a plan, yours at present is again in the hands of a judge

**NY Hoop** · 04/07/2006, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by passerrby

your right hoop this should not decend into a slagging match i have great time for the 400 club who are attempting to drag you into this century but your only critiea seems to be success on the field no matter what the costs and if we learned anything from the last twenty years that is stupity,
If you get 700 at a home game after paying out rent and security the pot is empty we get 300 a lot less income but no landlord and a small security bill and the knowledge that we will reinvest any profit back into our community football programmes that we believe will build a fanbase . this may no be the best plan but it is a plan, yours at present is again in the hands of a judge

Might help if you knew what you're talking about. For example I dont harp on about monaghan's finances but I do know you dont get anywhere near 300 gates.

Our criteria is not success on the field no matter what. What an incredible ill informed comment. Do you not think we have not learned from the previous owners mistakes?? You're also forgetting the thousands that are coming in from members dues every month. Our home average gates this season are higher than some premier clubs.

You can reinvest all you want back into the community but 20 years after entering the league can you honestly tell me you have a significant increase in gates?

The fact that our future is in the hands of the High Court judge is because of the greed of a particular GAA club in Tallaght.

KOH

**joeSoap** · 04/07/2006, 1:13 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

The fact that our future is in the hands of the High Court judge is because of the greed of a particular GAA club in Tallaght.

And nothing at all to do with year after year of mis-management from Kilcoyne, Maguire etc??

And before you get all touchy again, I'm not slagging anybody off. As a club, ye really do have an enormous sense of feeling hard done by by others, yet not at all prepared to look closer to home.

**NY Hoop** · 04/07/2006, 1:25 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

And nothing at all to do with year after year of mis-management from Kilcoyne, Maguire etc??

And before you get all touchy again, I'm not slagging anybody off. As a club, ye really do have an enormous sense of feeling hard done by by others, yet not at all prepared to look closer to home.

The council were willing to restart building but Thomas Davis have instigated a judicial review. No Rovers fan denies that all this is because of magoo and lucifer's actions.

Touchy? No. I'm just responding to you calling us a "disgrace" and talking crap about glasshouses and other such nonsense.

Your last sentence shows you are talking rubbish but hey whatever suits your agenda.

KOH

**joeSoap** · 04/07/2006, 1:35 PM

I have no agenda here, thats probably just your paranoid reaction to constructive opinion which is understandable I guess, considering what your club has been through.

My comments about your club being a disgrace still stand. You were a disgrace but thankfully you seem to be trying to do something about it. The club I support are only coming out of the doldrums too after being in a similar predicament as yourselves and theres still a long long way to go, as you'll see Friday night.

My glasshouse reference still stands also. Monaghan might be small-fry that will never achieve that much, but they put out a team each week, have their own ground, and they do a great job promoting football in an area that is predominately GAA orientated. How you can criticise or slag that off is beyond me.

**NY Hoop** · 04/07/2006, 1:55 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

I have no agenda here, thats probably just your paranoid reaction to constructive opinion which is understandable I guess, considering what your club has been through.

My comments about your club being a disgrace still stand. You were a disgrace but thankfully you seem to be trying to do something about it. The club I support are only coming out of the doldrums too after being in a similar predicament as yourselves and theres still a long long way to go, as you'll see Friday night.

My glasshouse reference still stands also. Monaghan might be small-fry that will never achieve that much, but they put out a team each week, have their own ground, and they do a great job promoting football in an area that is predominately GAA orientated. How you can criticise or slag that off is beyond me.

You have no agenda??

I try to get a debate going on why monaghan shouldnt be in the league and you turn into an anti Rovers rant with inaccuracies and rubbish.

I appreciate fully the work they do in keeping the club afloat but AGAIN I ask what is the point in having a club in the league with no fans?

My local kids team put out numerous teams every week, have their own ground and promote the club so should they be in the league?

KOH

**A face** · 04/07/2006, 2:06 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

You have no agenda??

I try to get a debate going on why monaghan shouldnt be in the league and you turn into an anti Rovers rant with inaccuracies and rubbish.

NY Hoop, come off it now ... it didnt exactly pan out like that at all.

Anyway ... i think this debate has exhausted itself now.

**joeSoap** · 04/07/2006, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by A face

NY Hoop, come off it now ... it didnt exactly pan out like that at all.

Anyway ... i think this debate has exhausted itself now.

It certainly has, especially when one of its participants wears blinkers...

**NY Hoop** · 04/07/2006, 2:18 PM

At least you admit it.

KOH

**pete** · 04/07/2006, 2:37 PM

I have no idea what this topic about but will still join in

There is no point to Monaghan, Kildare, Kilkenny or Dublin City in the eircom league. By all means they can exist as non-league clubs with nice infrstructure etc... but they have no & never will have ambitions to the top level of football in this country.

What were we talking about again?

**A face** · 04/07/2006, 3:39 PM

Originally Posted by pete

I have no idea what this topic about but will still join in

There is no point to Monaghan, Kildare, Kilkenny or Dublin City in the eircom league. By all means they can exist as non-league clubs with nice infrstructure etc... but they have no & never will have ambitions to the top level of football in this country.

What were we talking about again?

Can you name a league where every single club in it is in contension for honours every single year?

**Magicme** · 04/07/2006, 4:27 PM

there are reasons why every club could be kicked out of the league.....no club is totally safe and free from blemish so get off your high horses people. There will never be a truely successful profit making club. There just aint enough interest in the league to sustain that dream. FAI need to do their best to market the league in the future but even if they bribe most of the country to go to matches there will still be some of the "big" clubs struggling to pay their bills and remain feasible.

**BohsFans** · 04/07/2006, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by passerrby

Ill tell you why NY Hoop because we never had a winding up order againist us ,never had to beg or borrow a pitch, never had to apoligise for our fans, never spend what we dont have, never had the launderette withhold our kit until payment was made,and finally never hired roddy
sorry for the rant but super club my ass ,not a pot to **** in.

That put ya in your place NY Hoop.

Yes Monaghan are **** on the field at the mo, but I was very impressed by their set up in Gortakeegan. All-weather pitches, bar (+ the only beer garden in the league), nice stand and it's theirs, which is more than the homeless scum can say!

**passerrby** · 04/07/2006, 5:01 PM

when ya close us down hoop im moving all my fans to bohs ,always liked them lads

**NY Hoop** · 05/07/2006, 10:02 AM

Well you two minnows have something in common anyway.

KOH

**Magicme** · 05/07/2006, 11:57 AM

People are always harping on that small clubs like Monaghan, Kilkenny, Kildare and Dublin City bring nothing to the league but it sometimes seems that the big clubs bring nothing but debts, tax bills, players not being paid etc....all this brings negative press about the eL and brings everyone down. I cant see how those clubs are good for the league either so maybe we should just have Drogheda United and Galway United (2 of the clubs I have not seen negative press about in awhile) in the league and the rest of us close our doors? We could all follow those too clubs as they play each other week in week out.....great fun am sure!

**NY Hoop** · 05/07/2006, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

People are always harping on that small clubs like Monaghan, Kilkenny, Kildare and Dublin City bring nothing to the league but it sometimes seems that the big clubs bring nothing but debts, tax bills, players not being paid etc....all this brings negative press about the eL and brings everyone down. I cant see how those clubs are good for the league either so maybe we should just have Drogheda United and Galway United (2 of the clubs I have not seen negative press about in awhile) in the league and the rest of us close our doors? We could all follow those too clubs as they play each other week in week out.....great fun am sure!

As usual you're missing the point. Why should there be the 2 clubs in the league if they have no fans and will never have fans?

All our players are paid in full and on time, receive wage slips and we are debt free. Kilkenny and Kildare have potential.

KOH