eL Vote for FAI merger

**Raheny Red** · 30/06/2006, 5:04 PM

The FAI will be involved in running the league and may be a chance for them to make a bit of extra cash by taking in club's gate receipts!

**CharlesThompson** · 01/07/2006, 1:16 PM

Dublin City voted against it according to the Sun this morning and they've been quoted as saying that they respect the decision of their fellow league clubs but will take it to court if they get relegated.

**Raheny Red** · 01/07/2006, 1:30 PM

I'm sure he said they wouldn't go to court but may look for compo

**pineapple stu** · 02/07/2006, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesThompson

Dublin City voted against it according to the Sun this morning and they've been quoted as saying that they respect the decision of their fellow league clubs but will take it to court if they get relegated.

The headline says they won't go to court, but it doesn't say that in the text of the article. It did say he'd be looking for compensation.

Kildare and Cobh were the ones who didn't attend, one of the papers said. I can only assume we were the ones who abstained.

Raheny Red - season tickets are never allowed for FAI Cup games as the entire gate receipts are to be split between the FAI, the home club and the away club. So there'll be no change. And it's the least of our worries. UEFA Licencing and the FAI's general competency taking another blow yesterday with the Cork news is way more important.

**thejollyrodger** · 02/07/2006, 12:15 PM

Im delighted about the vote but my only bone of contention is the name "the priemership". We should have picked a unique name.

In three years time we can expect the likes of Shels et al to be knocking on the door for the group stages.

**Poor Student** · 02/07/2006, 2:51 PM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

In three years time we can expect the likes of Shels et al to be knocking on the door for the group stages.

Care to outline how that will come about so fast, Jolly?

**Red4Eva** · 02/07/2006, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

In three years time we can expect the likes of Shels et al to be knocking on the door for the group stages.

bit over da top. even though i'm happy the vote was passed it's more in hope that the fai might make it work rather than in expectation and it will take a lot more than 3 years. i'm thinkin 6-8 years down the line

**Jerry The Saint** · 03/07/2006, 9:08 AM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

Im delighted about the vote but my only bone of contention is the name "the priemership". We should have picked a unique name.

In three years time we can expect the likes of Shels et al to be knocking on the door for the group stages.

I see it all now, John Delaney is actually one of the underpants gnomes from South Park.

The FAI Underpants Gnomes have a three-phase business plan, consisting of:

Phase 1: eL vote for FAI merger
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit! ("Shels et al to be knocking on the door for the group stages")

Makes sense to me.

**el punter** · 03/07/2006, 12:56 PM

Apparently the mighty Quinn has just got his takeover of Sunderland sorted out.

Sporting Life have the details here

Seriously, I'm not having a go at Quinn - good luck to him, he seems a nice fella who loves his football. But I see no reason why is on a panel advising on the future of the domestic game. He has no track record of showing an interest in the league, he's never played in it and I've never heard him associated with it before the recent appointment. Looks like a hobby he won't have time for with the Sunderland thing now taking up his time.

What gives?

**Poor Student** · 03/07/2006, 1:07 PM

I know Dodge picked up on this earlier, but why do they persist on calling it a new 4 tier league in press releases? It's more like a 2 and a half tier league.

I have to say, I'm impressed with how Delaney has managed to talk this up and convince so many people, including fellow foot.ie posters, that this will magically bring success and fortune to the league without offering a single concrete reason as to how it will radically alter anything.

**NY Hoop** · 03/07/2006, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

I know Dodge picked up on this earlier, but why do they persist on calling it a new 4 tier league in press releases? It's more like a 2 and a half tier league.

I have to say, I'm impressed with how Delaney has managed to talk this up and convince so many people, including fellow foot.ie posters, that this will magically bring success and fortune to the league without offering a single concrete reason as to how it will radically alter anything.

I'm impressed that the majority of clubs have the foresight to see we cant continue as is. Certain people will always be afraid of change.

KOH

**Student Mullet** · 03/07/2006, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

I'm impressed that the majority of clubs have the foresight to see we cant continue as is. Certain people will always be afraid of change.

KOH

But if you're proposing a change you need to do two things. Show that a change is needed and show how this particular change will be an improvement.

The first point is clear, the league is being run very badly. The second point is not at all clear. There is little if any rational given for the switch back to a ten team premier or switching the U21 league to winter football or pretty much any other part of this proposal.

The only arguments in favour of this change are like the one you gave above. 'Stop being afraid of change' or 'Stop trying to hold back the league'.

**A face** · 03/07/2006, 2:59 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

I have to say, I'm impressed with how Delaney has managed to talk this up and convince so many people, including fellow foot.ie posters, that this will magically bring success and fortune to the league without offering a single concrete reason as to how it will radically alter anything.

You make it sound like the emperors new clothes !!

**NY Hoop** · 03/07/2006, 3:07 PM

Originally Posted by Student Mullet

But if you're proposing a change you need to do two things. Show that a change is needed and show how this particular change will be an improvement.

The first point is clear, the league is being run very badly. The second point is not at all clear. There is little if any rational given for the switch back to a ten team premier or switching the U21 league to winter football or pretty much any other part of this proposal.

The only arguments in favour of this change are like the one you gave above. 'Stop being afraid of change' or 'Stop trying to hold back the league'.

The doubling of prize money. What clubs will say no to that? 10 team is better than the failed 12 team league. It's gonna happen. Accept it and there will be no court cases. It's not a crusade to exclude UCD.

KOH

**Dodge** · 03/07/2006, 3:14 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

The doubling of prize money. What clubs will say no to that? 10 team is better than the failed 12 team league. It's gonna happen. Accept it and there will be no court cases. It's not a crusade to exclude UCD.

Prize money to some teams. Teams who finish lower than 6th will get nothing. And in fairness there are more than just UCD fans against this and still nobody has answered his original point on how this will make the league better

**Student Mullet** · 03/07/2006, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

The doubling of prize money. What clubs will say no to that? 10 team is better than the failed 12 team league.

The prize money is only to the benefit of four clubs, most of the league will be worse off under that proposal though it will help the teams in europe and the newly promoted team which is good.

The ten and twelve team premiers have both been tried and neither is a magic solution to the leagues problems. The fact that neither the Genesis Report nor the FAI's documents on the new league even make reference to the fact that we had a ten team Premier only a few years ago worries me. They're only taking into account the facts that support their argument, it's not a well tought out proposal. Instead of saying that we're going back to the ten team league and giving the reasons why it was better it's being presented as part of an innovative new package.

I don't have a strong preference for either but the constant changing does annoy me. The fact that one of the first things the FAI plan to do when they take over the league is switch again does not make me confidant that they have any new ideas for running the thing.

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

It's gonna happen. Accept it and there will be no court cases. It's not a crusade to exclude UCD.

I think that this is the type of thing Poor Student was complaining about when he said that there's no concrete reasons to think that these changes will lead to an improvement. Saying that 'it's going to happen' is not an argument in favour of the proposals.

**Peadar** · 03/07/2006, 3:31 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

It's not a crusade to exclude UCD.

Maybe to you it's not but I've been on this crusade for almost 10 years, when I went to my first UCD game in Belfield!

**Student Mullet** · 03/07/2006, 3:33 PM

Originally Posted by Peadar

Maybe to you it's not but I've been on this crusade for almost 10 years, when I went to my first UCD game in Belfield!

[Off Topic]Was your first game a 2-1 win for Cork? I was at that game ten years ago and it was my first game in Belfield too.[/Off Topic]

**Peadar** · 03/07/2006, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by Student Mullet

[Off Topic]Was your first game a 2-1 win for Cork? I was at that game ten years ago and it was my first game in Belfield too.[/Off Topic]

We won but that's about as much as I remember because I'd been in the bar looking down onto the sports hall all day before the game. To be fair, it was the culchie UCD students in the bar, trying to put on posh accents and talk sh�te, that pist me off more than the football but ever since I've been on my crusade to rid the league of your lot!