QuoteIl judge him on all of them. And he was useless last night a point you keep ignoring. The cheating was the only thing he did that helped his teamOriginally Posted by Dunphy
But Henry was two days after all those other terrible, cheating, horrific incidents, you could have started one on them and then carried it on today after he fell over dramatically......
The above is all opinion and based on personal experience. Unless stated otherwise it is not a dig at anybody, well probably none of you lot.
Il judge him on all of them. And he was useless last night a point you keep ignoring. The cheating was the only thing he did that helped his team
No matter what topic somebody starts a thread on you could always argue why dont they start another thread. I started the thread on Henry today cause I thought his behaviour last night was terrible and I had the chance to start a thread. As I am in work its not always possible and the incident was discussed in another thread so did not want to start duplicate threads. However this morning there was no thread on Henrys actions and I had the time so I started the thread.
Also I am like Micls in that I will take it all into account and hope to form a fuller picture of Henry, Great player but certainly in my view not a person who is a nice as he once seemed. Not as honest and fair as he liked to paint out before. Great player though.
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Of course ^^
Pleasure being spoken to by you.
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Just to let all use guys know there is an interview with henry on rte website stating that aragones never apoligised for his racial remarks and that the best way to answer his remarks was a victory for france last night!! In other word up yours aragones!!
I thought he apologised publicly
This is from Sky Sports website. I find it hard to see Puyol saying sorry and then coming out and saying it was not a fould, that does not add up for me.
Spanish star Carles Puyol was understandably upset following Spain's World Cup exit and he accused Thierry Henry of cheating.
Despite going ahead against France, the Spanish imploded and went down 3-1 in Hannover as Les Bleus booked a quarter final tie with Brazil.
"I am very unhappy about the knockout from the World Cup, principally because of the illusion we had given to the fans," he said.
"There is pain, but in football you get these things."
Puyol was unhappy about the foul that was given against him on Henry, which led to France's second goal from Patrick Vieira.
"The foul that provoked the game to become 2-1 was not true," he bemoaned.
"Henry is a star, a very intelligent one and he tricked the referee - the decision was unjust.
"France are not superior to us, they only played a type of match to counter-attack.
"I believed in Spain, but the reality is hard.
"My season was positive with Barcelona but now with Spain it is unhappy."
Henry was quick to deny any wrong doing over the incident with Puyol.
"I don't cheat. People can say whatever they want to say, but if any team has been cheated since the beginning of the tournament it's France," he said.
"Look at the replay, their left-back was going to take the ball and Puyol came across me and blocked me.
"Puyol came up to me afterwards and apologised so how is that cheating? Spain's left-back Mariano Pernia was going to win the ball, so I don't know why Puyol cut across me, but he did.
"If that's basketball that's a good block, but we're not playing basketball. In my head I'm not a guy who does go down or cheats."
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This is from the RTE website, Henry at no point says that Aragones did not apologise for the comments, thats rte putting that in.
Thierry Henry insists France's win over Spain was the perfect answer to Luis Aragones.
The Spanish coach, who racially insulted Henry in a remark to his Arsenal team-mate Jose Antonio Reyes two years ago, has never apologised for the comment.
Following France's 3-1 victory in Hanover last night, Henry said: 'A lot of people were speculating about Aragones and I don't want to talk about it because there is no point. But the best answer was the win.'
After his remark, Aragones was fined by the Spanish FA - who were criticised at the time by Henry for their leniency - and the Arsenal captain was also less than impressed with Spanish fans booing and whistling during the French national anthem.
He added: 'I think you should respect the national anthem of another country. They do whatever they want to do. But I thought it was a bit below par. Everybody found that a great shame.'
France's struggle for goals in the group stage led to many critics writing off their chances, but Franck Ribery, Patrick Vieira and Zinedine Zidane all scored to beat much-fancied Spain.
Henry, 28, said: 'We got a lot of stick for not scoring in the group stage. What I would say is that we just grew up in the tournament. I'm not saying we are going to win it.
'Zinedine also got a lot of criticism and it was good that he scored the third goal.'
Les Bleus face Brazil in the quarter-finals
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I was just pointing out the fact that he has never apoligised to Henry, he should have got the sack when he made those comments!!
Jesus pot kettle and black Carlos Puyol mate, have a look at your own diving record. Top drawer you are at it, great defender though.
I'm now awaiting the "Pablo the dirty cheat" thread and Puyol to be quoted in it as saying Pablo tricked the referee.
So Neil what you are implying is we must believe Puyol above Henry?
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No I dont think we can believe either as they both dive and are both cheats.
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We know both are cheats but the reason Henry's got to me more is because of the hypocrisy of it. He comes out giving out after the Cl final saying he wouldn't dive like that cos he's not a woman(
Well Said Micls you have hit the nail on the head there. Both are cheats.
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Excellent.
The above is all opinion and based on personal experience. Unless stated otherwise it is not a dig at anybody, well probably none of you lot.
I think Aragones was in some part responsible for the much better French performance. According to Hamilton he said before the game that Spain were a much better side than France and he had done no packing because he knew they'd be staying on for the next round. Comments like that combined with the earlier incidents must have been enough to fire up the French old-timers.
ITV raved about Zidane - I thought his performance was mixed but much improved nonetheless.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
My life is so less complicated, now that I choose to not reply directly to any of the large amount of garbage spewed about Henry and Arsenal on www.foot.ie at every opportunity while the actions of other players and/or teams are consistantly ignored.
This was obviously never going to be a an objective thread from the get-go. Only a newbie to the land of foot would have missed that.
If you want my advice (and you probably don't!), don't get involved at all.
I have seen the light and am a new man.....so much so that I believe we should even bring back Klein4.....all is forgiven!
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From the bbc, quite glad now Spain are gone - if of course we're allowed to believe it.
France coach Raymond Domenech has alleged that his players were subjected to racist taunts by Spanish fans before Tuesday's second-round match.
He said: "When I arrived with the bus there were fans making monkey chants."
The claim seems certain to reignite the racism row that has plagued Spanish football in recent years.
In 2005 Spain coach Luis Aragones was fined for making racist remarks about France's Thierry Henry and players have suffered racist abuse in La Liga games.
Aragones' comments about Henry were the most high-profile and Henry was clearly delighted that France were able to beat the Spaniards in Hanover on Tuesday.
The Arsenal striker said: "A lot of people were speculating about Aragones and I don't want to talk about it because there is no point.
"But the best answer was the win."
The first responsibilities lie with the national associations
Sepp Blatter
In November 2004 Fifa fined the Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) £44,750 after several England players were racially abused during a friendly match in Madrid.
And last year Real Zaragoza and Racing Santander fans racially abused Barcelona forward Samuel Eto'o during league matches and were subsequently fined by the RFEF.
Domenech's claims come on the day that Fifa warned they will suspend national associations who fail to impose tough new rules on racism that come into force in July.
Fifa president Sepp Blatter said the regulations - including docking points from clubs and countries whose fans are guilty of racism offences - were mandatory.
Blatter stated: "The first responsibilities lie with the national associations and if they are not doing what is expected of them then Fifa's executive committee must intervene.
"The power and the responsibility lies with Fifa and the suspension of a federation is the ultimate sanction available to the disciplinary committee."
He added: "This is a fight against a devil that still exists, unfortunately, in our sport."
The above is all opinion and based on personal experience. Unless stated otherwise it is not a dig at anybody, well probably none of you lot.
Henry is a sore loser. He missed several sitters in the CL final and instead of assuming his responsibility, preferred to blame Puyol. I do think Puyol fouled him when blocking him, but Henry's theatrical reaction showed that he hadn't forgotten their previous encounter.
Aragones is a senile t¡t but I don't think he's racist. "Black sh¡t" isn't an accurate translation of "negro de mierda", the term he used; "f*cking black" would be a far more faithful translation, but the tabloid press obviously prefer the former, more incendiary, version.
Mind you, aside from whistling during the French anthem, apparently the Spanish fans also gave their usual monkey chants when the French players arrived at the Stadium.
I've lived in Spain for over ten years and would dearly love to see Spanish football get its act together, but the players are too innocent on the pitch and the fans too ignorant off it.
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No doubt that Henry is not the only player who has dived or cheated at this world cup and he has not been the worst culprit. However I will say that I expected better of him and his behaviour over the last 2 months has gone down in my estimation. I have spoken to a few Arsenal fans who have agreed with me on this. My motivation for this was not anti Arsenal or Anti Henry or Anti Black i was just suprise and dissappointment that a great player and what I thought was a great person has become a cheat like so many other players.
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This was obviously never going to be a an objective thread from the get-go. Only a newbie to the land of foot would have missed that.
No thread is objective by its nature, its an expression of opinion by people who have formed that opinion by living their live. Their live is influenced by both outside and internal influences. Nurture and nature as it is often put. My morals are influenced by my parents my friends and the culture that I live in. I bring all of those influences when I post on this thread. Therefore a thread by its very nature cannot be objective unless its a statement of fact i.e a list of results of world cup matches. Now that would not make very interesting reading. None of your posts are ojective either Karlos, and wait a minute not one post in this whole forum is objective unless it states basic hard facts which I woudl say less than 1% of posts do.
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