Probably a lot to do with the fact that you only ever play in europe once every 20 years or so!Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Try playing there every season, no scratch that, try qualifying for Europe every season !
Funny that. I'm a lot happier here than I would be out Tolka way, that's for sure. Probably all the stuff going around about liquidations, unpaid bills, a ground sold with no solid plans for a new one...
More rubbish Stu !!
Liquidations ???
Unpaid Bills ???
Ground sold with no solid plans ???
Care to let us Shels fans in on whats happening
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Where is the evidence,where is the proof?
Higgins touched on this before,UCD are an average club and will never be anything else but an average club,now i dont know if it's this that has you making wild accusations about another club,without any actual proof or not but could you please get over your jealousy towards Shels!
Not jealous of your lot having owed the Revenue Commissioners €300,000 earlier this year at all lads
Keep it on topic lads.
And it was paid,there's evidence to back it up and all!!Not jealous of your lot having owed the Revenue Commissioners €300,000 earlier this year at all lads
Now back to Pineapple Stu's unsubstantiated claims,have you got any evidence?
Liquidation - there was a winding-up order issued against youz. Suorce - the papers. (Doesn't matter that it ultimately was withdrawn; we haven't had any)
Unpaid bills - not paying tax (proven). Not paying the printers - nobody's denying it. Your accounts' Auditors' Report says it can't be sure of what bills you've paid and what bills you haven't because the accounting system is appalling in there.
Ground sold - mentioned in the papers once or twice. It's quite clearly been sold - you may prove otherwise if you wish. No solid plans - there's a new "solid plan" every time the previous one falls through - Donabate, Dalymount, Tallaght, now Santry...
If the Revenue keep doing the FAI's job and forcing teams to cop onto themselves financially, you could well see UCD start to make progress in the league. Not our fault that teams left right and centre are spending ridiculous amounts of money they don't have while we keep to a proper budget.
Back on topic - I'm looking forward to this game - it'll be tough & I can see wht Fenlon would opt for the 4-5-1 again (not necessarly agree with it, but it has worked before - its about progressing, not playing beautiful football)
according to this - http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=389 - its a positive approach (?)
I just hope they win through to the next round - don't care about the quality of performance
Oh, official updates will be here:
http://www.shelbournefc.ie/matchzone...p?matchid=9180
Winding up order doesn’t mean it was liquidation stu ???
Stop adding to the trash that goes around.
Shels owed the tax man 300K, they wanted the money, they were paid the money. Not ideal but it wasn’t liquidation
We owed the tax man money and it was paid and to use your own words, PROVEN!!
All Shels bills are paid eventually!
Do we have bills yes of course and the printers bill is one of them but the bill will be paid. That how business works, you ask for a service they provide it and then you get the bill and you pay it. Would be great to have every cent up front like UCD but that’s not always possible due to the erratic nature of a football clubs income. I suppose with gates so low out in Belfield its easy for you to budget but a large part of Shels cash flow is determined through gates from home games.
In your fairyland idea of a well run club I'm sure this is hard to understand.
The plan is that we will play our games in Tolka until we get another ground???
What were you expecting!
That nothing is said about possible grounds until its 100% done and dusted? Sure you would be on here ranting about Ollie and his lack of info and how shels fans don’t care about this an that if nothing was said while we search for a new ground.
UCD will never make progress in the league. Your small time with a small time attitude and you have no intention of doing anything that might progress you or the league in which you play! The most excitement you lot get is complaining about the affairs of the leagues bigger clubs.
Spending money we don’t have??
ALL shels bills to date have been paid!!!
That to me says we do have the money we spend…. It might not be spent as wisely as you would like but facts are it is money we have
Finally Stu, you have decided in your infinite wisdom to ignore previous threads on these topics when I have you backed into a corner. These items have been discussed countless times and you always start with the same nonsense. I fill you in on the facts and then you ignore the thread and start lies on another thread??? Is there something wrong with you that you return to the start every time ??? I don’t understand why things you learn one day are not carried into the next. I've no idea what your agenda is but it probably stems from the fact nothing worth posting about happens at your club! If you put half the time into UCD as you do posting about Shels your club might be better off.
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Odense 3 Shelbourne 0
Sh1t result lads . You are as good as out of the 2 Bob after that!
higgins
Ollie Byrne spoke at a public meeting some time ago and said that gate receipts represent 19% of Shelbourne's income !
If it had gone through, it would have. My point wasn't that you were liquidated, but that the threat of liquidation was hanging over you. That's why I'd rather be a UCD fan than a Shels fan at the moment.
Again, there were significant unpaid bills this season. Just because one's gone doesn't mean others aren't there. Again, another reason I'd rather be a UCD fan than a Shels fan at the moment.
Ooooh...you wouldn't be living in Fairyland now, higgins, would you? Shels' income has been quoted in papers as close to E2m. At an average of 20 home games a season, you'd want to be bringing in 100,000 people @ E10 a head to make that. You get about a fifth of that.
Another reason I'd rather be a UCD fan than a Shels fan just there. What an idiotic comment.
Funny, I seem to recall an interview with Ollie on your website when, in response to a question about what would happen if the Dalyer ground share fell through, Ollie said "There is no Plan B". Yet now everything's planned, just not announced?
Can you prove that? Or are you just throwing soundbytes about because they sound good? There are many Shels bills outstanding at present. At the minimum, that's because of the simple accounting reality that you usually take 30 days' credit, and so will always have some bills outstanding. But of course, facts don't seem as important to you as soundbytes.
Of course, when the tax was paid, it was said that Shels now owed nobody anything. Then the printers came along. Then the wages came along. If they get paid, you'll argue you now owe nothing, but history shows that there's another bubble about to burst.
Reality is that tax is the first bill you pay, because of the Revenue's powers to come after you for the money. If you can't pay your tax, then the chances are there's a lot of other bills outstanding as well. The alternative is that you're really stupid and pay the stationer before the taxman.
The issue was raised that (a) UCD fans knew nothing about Europe because we'd never qualified - nonsense - and (b) that Shels fans ought to be happier than UCD fans, which, going on our survival prospects for ten years' time, is also nonsense. Am I not now allowed to reply to that?
I don't like to see Shels - or any other eL club in trouble. However, it irritates me to see clubs cheating, spending money they don't have, running up huge bills and generally wrongly getting an advantage over properly run clubs, while the FAI stand idly by all the time despite bringing in a mechanism to stop this crap. So I do have a vested interest in the issue.
Ok and how does that compare to the other 21 tems in the EL ? and whats your point other then gates are a disaster?
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You said that Shels' gates are a high percentage of their income and so the income wasn't reliable, which led to an occasional backlog of debts. However, this isn't true.
Threat of liquidation is gone, I'm a very happy shels fan at the moment.
There are plenty of bills at Tolka. Tax was paid yes but your correct others exist but that not reason enough for me to become a UCD fanbills are part and parcel of any business.
Home games have a lot to do with cash flow. If you think it doesn’t then there's nothing I can do for you. One fifth is one fifth! And it all adds up. Id like it to be higher but its not. Lots of clubs use their gate money through the season to pay various bills.
My point was that WE PLAY IN TOLKA!!!
Your not getting that point. Yes we looked at Donabate Yes we looked at Dalymount and now we are looking elsewhere but we are still at Tolka so I don’t see why your so concerned over our move.
It proved on the basis that you have not heard of anyone not getting their money over the years. Of course there are bills at the club but every intention is there to pay those bills when I said bills were paid is was on an ongoing basis as they arise. Shels have not went and paid everyone 4% or anything like that yet and until they do I don’t see any cheating!!
Again you go back to the word Cheating?
Explain how Shels have cheated???
I take it Cork are now cheats in your mind?
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Point taken butit is an important part for every club and even at one fifth it goes a long way. You have Cork now stating their 7 weeks without a home game was putting them in trouble with bills?? are they talking nonsense too
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It's all better so? Gone and never going to come back? Fair enough.
Funny that. Earlier you were saying that
Which is it? Or are you just making things up again? That would never do, higgins, would it?
You said it was a "large part". For the primary function of a club's activities, one fifth is not a "large part". It certainly isn't crucial to keeping bills paid.
Tolka is sold. The clock is ticking on your time there. There's an article saying as much on your own website. On your own website is an interview with Ollie saying that if the Dalyer groundshare fell through, there was no Plan B. I'd be quite happy not to be in that situation, to be honest.
Proof indeed.
Cork have cheated. Pat's have cheated. Bray, Bohs, etc, etc have cheated to an extent. It can't go indefinitely. Sooner or later, you'll find clubs copping onto themselves and cutting back. Then the clubs who are used to living within a budget and who are doing alright for themselves on a small budget will start to do even better for themselves.
Of course they are. The more sensible ones acknowledge that.
Stu Im not saying shels have every bill paid up in full, what I was saying is that there is no 4% payments being made and every bill shels have will be paid. Thats the theory behind all businesses I assume and Shels are no different.
What bills are not paid seen as your well able to state we owe so much?
Gone never to come back???
who is to say that?? You have a crystal ball!! No club could say they will never run into money problems, you plan not to but not everything goes to plan.
While in talks with Bohs Ollie was not working on a Plan B !!!!!!!!
What is your problem with this???
While you were looking to move to the new site in Belfield were you working away on other options??? I dont mean have ideas in your head but actually working on them! Thats what Ollie meant. We are playing in Tolka need I remind you and when we move it will be to another ground. there was no panic to have people working on plan b c d etc.
Dalymount didnt happen so then Ollie went looking at other options.
I cant see how this is any concern to you ???
Its nothing point and keeps you going around in circles which is the way you like to do things. Not content to debate the one point in full you always resort to adding in other crap that deflects attention to your original lies.
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Hmmm...can't quite see a different meaning to...
It's irrelevant which ones. All that matters is that you don't pay other bills at the expense of letting Revenue taxes build up. SO there have to be some sizeable bills left unpaid.
You said...
I wouldn't be happy if I thought there were a chance of the threat coming back. I would take it that if you're so happy, you reckon the Revenue are gone for good.
He doesn't have to be working on one - he just has to have one! Particularly seeing as Plan A was clearly never going to work.
No it's not. He quite clearly said "There is no Plan B." in relation to what happens if Dalyer falls through.
They're lies now, are they? Have you any proof of that?
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