Shels players not getting their wages?

[Philo]

Yes we are scum don't think you can say much with your element. Tut tut gypo

You're not scum at all, you're complete nobodies. In fan terms you might as well not exist.

As for the element attached to Bohs, there are now 30 banning orders in place at Dalymount. These bans are enforced for match days and non-match days alike. The problem lies with the official bodies and clubs that refuse to take the issue as seriously. Your uninformed waffle has gone beyound tedious at this stage. The only thing Shels bring to the league is a handful of morons on message boards. Like many others, I look forward to a time when your disease of a club no longer exists.

[Dodge]

I hate doing this but....

I can't blame them for using every trick in the rule book to get out of this that and the other - the fact is that the EL/FAI rule book is completely incompetent and idiotic - if it was administered and applied properly then there wouldn't be a loophole to get out of everything. In my book, the fact that they can get away with challenges to rules and sanctions is the league's fault - it happens in every sport and although it's not fair/sporting etc.., whether it's bans in GAA or citing in rugby, most teams will exploit a loophole that is present

Its the pontificating about it thats the problem. To do condemn one club "for the integrity of the rules" and then continually claim for leniancy "in the interests of football" is totally taking the ****.

Wouldn't make them any different to a lot of clubs really - look at Rovers before the fans took over - why is this a reason for Shels and not Rovers. I would much rather see a team who did this completely fail and end up relegated and reorganised rather than disolved.

And I'd rather see Shels go. We disagree

This always really annoys me when people come out with it. Yeah he commited a crime and he did his sentence. Crime-punishment - that's it - he's paid the price for it and he should be allowed to move on, isn't that the whole point of prison? Do you think people who have been to prison should be banned from ever doing anything else? I'm sure there are other clubs out there who have shareholders with some form of a record, but it doesn't seem to be a problem there?

FFS if you can't tell it was a flippant remark thrown in with others, there's no point in answering any of these

If Ollie wasn't there would you then change your mind about Shels?

They'd certainly be less detestable

If they brought 10,000 you'd be complaining about bandwagoners.

No I wouldn't. Do you think its good enough that the league champions bring less than 1,000 fans to a game in their city where they clinch the trophy

As far as I'm concerned it's never a cause for celebration when a club gets into difficulty. A bit of schandenfreude perhaps - we're only human, but football in this country could do without this being the number one story of the year - when things have finally started to look a bit more positive with better football on average, the setanta cup, games on tv, players in international squad etc., the last thing we need is another season where a club folding or being in big trouble occupies the media's attention.

I agree totally but if the club has put itself into this p[osition they have NO ONE to blame but themselves. Sweeping it under the carpet and pretending its not a serious issue helps nobody. The vast majority of Irish clubs are overspending and if Shels, as the frontrunner here, get into massive massive trouble and fold, maybe in the long run their lesson will be better for Irish football than simply not having bad publicity about it.

[LeixlipRed]

All your hatred is wasted my friends. We needer care about nor listen to your meanderings. We might be a "disease" of a club but atleast none of our fans seem to have the dangerous psychological problems which are associated with taking football so seriously you actually think one of your rival clubs is a "disease". You sad, sad people

[bigmac]

And I'd rather see Shels go. We disagree

Fair enough, no problem there

FFS if you can't tell it was a flippant remark thrown in with others, there's no point in answering any of these

Might have been a flippant remark but it's thrown out time and time again by people who don't like Shels. IMO it only contributes towards their us against the world mentality - must be the red jerseys, maybe they think their from Cork or something.


I think we're in agreement about most stuff, but I see the biggest problem as being a lack of structure and professionalism imposed by the league - turkeys and christmas I suppose, but in an organisation where anything goes, then clubs can be expected to do whatever they want and get away with it. The main problem as i see it is that Shels folding solves nothing for any other team - there will always be the people who think they can buy success as long as there are no real financial guidelines imposed on the clubs from above.

[Mr A]

Have to say I'm with Bigmac on this one. I don't really want to see any club go under- Harps have looked that possibility in the face in the past and I wouldn't wish the feeling on anyone.

I've no great time for Ollie Byrne but I find the constant references to his having a record very childish.

[A face]

must be the red jerseys, maybe they think their from Cork or something.

But ... but, but .... We DONT have red jerseys ???

Here, try this out ... hopefully it will help you out in future situations.

[Poor Student]

All your hatred is wasted my friends. We needer care about nor listen to your meanderings. We might be a "disease" of a club but atleast none of our fans seem to have the dangerous psychological problems which are associated with taking football so seriously you actually think one of your rival clubs is a "disease". You sad, sad people

To be honest as someone who cares passionately about the game, if I were a Pat's fan I can imagine I'd have quite a disdain for your club. I can see where Dodge is coming from. My own club had to go to court to get what was due to us from your club.

[LeixlipRed]

Its ok to have a hatred of certain people who were involved in events were your club lost out, but to actually hate a club, its fans, everything about it, is pathetic. I dont particularly love Cork or Bohs but I certainly dont hate them or the fans. Anyway, hating inanimate objects is just a bit odd

[bigmac]

But ... but, but .... We DONT have red jerseys ???

Here, try this out ... hopefully it will help you out in future situations.

sorry, red-green colourblind you see.

Anyway, who said I was talking about City? isn't red the colour de rigeur for most of "the rebels"?

[Poor Student]

Its ok to have a hatred of certain people who were involved in events were your club lost out, but to actually hate a club, its fans, everything about it, is pathetic.

The thing is, sometimes Shels fans are seen as complicit in the more reprehensible actions of your club. There seems to be an unquestioning loyalty among a lot of your fans towards the people who run the club in spite of the fact that they let yourselves and Irish football down and appear to be running your club into trouble. Your lack of criticism and questioning is stirring up an increasing apathy or dislike of your fans amongst others.

I dont particularly love Cork or Bohs but I certainly dont hate them or the fans. Anyway, hating inanimate objects is just a bit odd

I always considered clubs to be living breathing entities. There's a rather impassioned plea by a fellow Shels fan of yours saying as such about your club in another thread.

[Dodge]

Its ok to have a hatred of certain people who were involved in events were your club lost out, but to actually hate a club, its fans, everything about it, is pathetic.

I disagree entirely. Its pathetic if your hatred comes out in voilence or anything like that but how can having strong opinions on a football club and all it represents be pathetic? Also agree with poor student re; clubs being a living entity

[LeixlipRed]

there is something to be said for the idea clubs are living, breathing entities. So i'll just adjust my point to say that I believe hatred, in general, is pathetic. Its a waste of time. Dislike anything you want but hatred actually takes energy. pointless. More of a general argument about hatred than football so i'll leave it at that

[Roverstillidie]

bigmac, i agree but for one part.

all shels problems are 100% self inflicted.

[Dodge]

there is something to be said for the idea clubs are living, breathing entities. So i'll just adjust my point to say that I believe hatred, in general, is pathetic. Its a waste of time. Dislike anything you want but hatred actually takes energy. pointless. More of a general argument about hatred than football so i'll leave it at that

Looks like we have totally different attitudes to football so. I LOVE the tribal nature of it.

[anto eile]

A: I think they've been synonymous with a raising of the standard of the football within the league.

B: As for Ollie Byrne - he is not Shelbourne, he is a man behind Shelbourne; a club that was around long before he got involved and hopefully long after his involvement.

A: shels are single handedly responsible for driving the players wages in the EL up to ridiculous unjustifiable and unsustainable levels (leading to near bankruptcy of themselves and half the other teams in the league) through the aforementioned gambling of long-term security on short term success

B: ollie byrne owns something like 14,886 out of 15000 shares in shels. he IS shelbourne.

[anto eile]

Its ok to have a hatred of certain people who were involved in events were your club lost out, but to actually hate a club, its fans, everything about it, is pathetic. I dont particularly love Cork or Bohs but I certainly dont hate them or the fans. Anyway, hating inanimate objects is just a bit odd

we're not talking about cricket or tennis.this is football,and in football, you dont really need a good excuse to hate the team from down the road or the other side of the city.its football and you hate your rivals.thats the way its always been. nevertheless, shels provide ample reason to be hated anyway.

personally i find the most despicable aspect of your club is your gimpy goonish pathetic fans. that dispassionate opinion of yours quoted above is just one example

[el punter]

A: shels are single handedly responsible for driving the players wages in the EL up to ridiculous unjustifiable and unsustainable levels (leading to near bankruptcy of themselves and half the other teams in the league) through the aforementioned gambling of long-term security on short term success

B: ollie byrne owns something like 14,886 out of 15000 shares in shels. he IS shelbourne.

In fairness Anto Eile, neither of the points you directed towards mine above relate all that much to what I was saying.

A: I never mentioned money, just the standard of football. I don't defend Shelbourne's financial policies.

B: Shelbourne FC was around before Ollie, and like I said earlier, hopefully after him. I dont think anyone is any doubt about how much control he currently exerts on the club. I dont accept that Ollie Byrne IS Shelbourne FC. Any club is much more than one man.

[Billy Lord]

el punter: as we discovered at Shamrock Rovers, ownership is everything when it comes to a football club. That's why we bought ours - I wouldn't trust anyone but the fans with something as precious as our beloved SRFC.

[Anto McC]

B: ollie byrne owns something like 14,886 out of 15000 shares in shels. he IS shelbourne.

He owns roughly 98% of Shels and i wouldnt have it any other way

[LeixlipRed]

we're not talking about cricket or tennis.this is football,and in football, you dont really need a good excuse to hate the team from down the road or the other side of the city.its football and you hate your rivals.thats the way its always been. nevertheless, shels provide ample reason to be hated anyway.

personally i find the most despicable aspect of your club is your gimpy goonish pathetic fans. that dispassionate opinion of yours quoted above is just one example

Im a gimp and a goon because you believe im dispassionate? ffs, thats some logic. I said I dont believe in hatred. That doesnt mean I dont display passion. Hatred is a waste of time. When I think of hatred I conjure up images or religious warfare and the like. Now, I dunno about you but my mind isnt tuned into that sort of extreme feeling. I dont like you a lot after that stupid comment about ggons and gimps but I'm damn well dont hate you. Its probably semantics but I believe that when you turn extreme dislike into hate you cross a line thats hard to come back over. Just my opinion mind you. and I display extreme passion when it comes to football. I love my club. So I'm neither a gimp, goon or a dispassionate version of either of them