Shels players not getting their wages?

[Anto McC]

Cork fans in particular seem to be suggesting Kearney will come back to Cork

Promise???

Everything posted is rumours,im not saying it isnt true but i would much rather make a comment based on facts than rumours!

[ndrog]

I dunno about that .... Ndo might not suit Doolins tactics, or lack of.

oh yeah , we are top of the leauge and setanta cup holders because doolin hasnt a clue about tactics.Give me a break .

[A face]

Give me a break

I'll give you nothing, get back in your box !!

[Raheny Red]

Has this reached the media? (I'm abroad right now)

Nope, not in the slightest, even The Sun won't stoop to that level

[hoopy]

IHe says some want out, mentioned Hawkins to Droghega.

There's a surprise. I sometimes wonder if this guy has any interest in the game of football. I know footballers are greedy by nature but this muppet(and a totally overrated one at that) has only ever been interested in money.

[kdjaC]

Nope, not in the slightest, even The Sun won't stoop to that level

What level? The level being a in weird position where players who you watch actually live on your road?


I started a thread on boards.ie about this as a shelbourne player informed me of this. Of course hes mate so i wouldnt name him, but fact his he owes me 20 bleedin quid


Lol but seriously this is fact he has not been paid for a while and others are in the same situation. Im sure we all live near players and do hear about things within the league from them 1st.

kdjac

[Roverstillidie]

interesting that stephen mcguinness hasnt gone to the papers in the same blaze as he did when rovers were in the same boat.

why is that stephen?

[A face]

interesting that stephen mcguinness hasnt gone to the papers in the same blaze as he did when rovers were in the same boat.

why is that stephen?

Did it work for him last time ??

[Roverstillidie]

Yes, but bear in mind when he was affected by it he seemed to be far more urgent in bringing the situation to a head

[higgins]

Higgins, you're gonna love me for this. I have heard nothing about this myself but there's threads doing the rounds on various club boards and boards.ie with people saying they've heard Shels are having difficulty paying players wages. There's all sorts of rumours about players walking out for free due to payments due to them not happening (like Foley at Bohs). Cork fans in particular seem to be suggesting Kearney will come back to Cork and there's also rumours about a raft of players (Crowe, Ndo, Moore) heading to Drogs and that Hawkins won't play again until he is paid. As I say, I haven't heard this myself but read it in a few places, so don't shoot the messenger. Anyone know anything about this?

Rumours.........

Well its no shock to anyone that Shels find it hard to pay the wage bill every week. Im amazed Ollie has kept it going this long to be honest but you might be a little ahead of yourself with the two players walking line.

20 players travelled to Lithuania with Gary and Greg staying behind due to them being injured. Thats everyone accounted for in my head

If two players have walked they seem to have had a change of heart.

As for the not being paid for weeks. Players are entitled to walk away when they are not being paid now and I would fully expect some of the current squad to do exactly that IF they were not being paid. The fact they all travelled to Lithuania would seem to indicate its only a rumour.

As for Hawkins and Kearney!!!
Id gladly accept it if it was the two of them that walked

It is very difficult to pay wages at an EL club and with Shels probably being the top spenders (not sure about Drogheda) it is hard work week in week out to come up with the cash.

Few years back you would have got away with a few weeks delay or players taking big reductions but in todays EL if you dont pay them their money they will kick up a fuss. Im not sure what the exact situation is with wages in Tolka but nobody seems to have walked, even if I wish a couple of them would!!

[Raheny Red]

interesting that stephen mcguinness hasnt gone to the papers in the same blaze as he did when rovers were in the same boat.

why is that stephen?

Maybe because Nutsy held the same position as him for a no. of seasons

[Roverstillidie]

higgins, is every single thing posted here about shels a rumour or part of some vast anti shels conspiracy?

we know for a fact that this is happening because people know shels players.

i heard nutsy was owed cash months ago from a personal friend of his.

[dcfcsteve]

if the accounts are prepared correctly, and audited correctly, then turnover should not be a 'fairly meaningless' figure, but should in fact be a very very important figure for every club.

I have to take you to task on this.

It's got nothing to do with the books being done correctly or not - by it's nature, turnover is the least relevant bottom-line figure on a firm's accounts, unless they are interested in profit margins or 'scale' over actual profit.

As an example - a supermarket chain could have a €1 billion annual turnover, yet only make a €5m annual profit : because it's a low margin business. That could make it much less profitable than, say, a luxury goods company with a turnover of only €50m, but a much higher profit margin.

So whilst turnover may make you feel good about the overall scale of operations of a football club, it's of much less relevance than the actual balance between your income and expenditure : i.e. your profit or loss. Hence why it's relatively irrelevant, and hence why people like the FAI will be more concerned with other figures.

Lecture over.....

[Student Mullet]

The point you're missing Steve is that a shop's aim is to make a profit but a football club aims to win matches. The key number in a clubs accounts is not profit but expenditure and that's the figure the FAI are pegging back.

[ColinR]

thank you student mullet. it is a very important figure as it decides the basis of what a prudent club/company etc has available to spend - which as student mullet has pointed out, this is what the fai are trying to get clubs to control.

it is the only 'simple' figure that should be available as a basis for setting a wage cap within our league - and therefore controlling the key expenditure item for each and every club.

your lecture is also irrelavant as you are comparing example companies from differing industries - wheras the fai will be looking at club's financial records which all form part of the same industry - i.e football clubs. and as such it is an important starting figure, and is relevant across the board.

Therefore it is actually a more relevant figure than the many others (such as net profit/(loss) etc)for setting future expenditure caps - as it dictates what each club (remember we are all in the same industry!!!!) can spend (if current income trends remain), in order to prevent clubs going under.

lecture over

[razor]

but in todays EL if you dont pay them their money they will kick up a fuss.

Well its hard to blame them as they are now full time and no doubt have mortgages to pay, kids to feed etc etc

[Poor Student]

We have Kdjac who claims he knows a Shels player not being paid, there's another boards.ie poster who claims Richie Baker has told him he hasn't been paid for two weeks, RTID says a friend of Nutsy told him he's not getting paid and on the Cork board there's some lads there making it out like one of the Cork lads at Shels have told them the same. Either they're all filthy liars working in tandem against Shels or there is something up. I think Shels were unable to pay their printers the other week to get a programme out for the Bohs game and theres the €300k tax bill which could only be paid via a bridging loan. Fenlon also did state explicitly there's no money for bringing in players. This story seems quite plausible to me. I've also seen it said that Tolka's new owners are not prepared to put anymore into the club via bridging loans.

[pete]

Too many shels rumours so hard to know whats true or not.

Heard one few weeks ago that on the verve of bankruptcy but didn't hear anything of...

[el punter]

I am a Bohs fan but I never wanted to see Rovers go under (despite hating them) but I would be absolutely delighted to see Shelbourne Football Club cease to exist.

Elaborate on why that is - Shels have brought a lot to the league over the past 20 years in particular, why would you want to see them disband?

[Dodge]

Elaborate on why that is - Shels have brought a lot to the league over the past 20 years in particular, why would you want to see them disband?

Because "rules are rules" when it suits them
Because they've mortgaged their whole future on short term success
Because Ollie Byrne is a criminal
Because he's a f.ucking c.unt too
Because when winning the league they brought less than 1,000 fans to a game in Dublin
Because of repeated legal challenges
Because of having too much influence within the FAI/el
Because of at least 100 other reasons I'll let others vent...

And Can I ask you to elaborate what Shels have brought to the league in the last 20 years