U2’s former accountant privately funds Shelbourne FC

**higgins** · 12/06/2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

How long have you know a convicted criminal that would come into a huge windfall after years of toiling and not even be tempted?

I take it you dont know Ollie Byrne then ?

and to think of all the threads you have contributed to on the man himself and it appears you dont even know him!!

**higgins** · 12/06/2006, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

and you were wrong.

its d day.

When ?
Or are you going to play the 'lets pretend I know stuff but cant say it' card.

That articale mentions nothing about being kicked out of Tolka which you said was going to happen.

**Roverstillidie** · 12/06/2006, 1:21 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

When ?
Or are you going to play the 'lets pretend I know stuff but cant say it' card.

That articale mentions nothing about being kicked out of Tolka which you said was going to happen.

you were told by us last week something was going to happen soon with property speculators and tolka, you dismissed it.

its now in the press and you are still dismissing it.

stop trying to score points and get real. this is happening. right now.

**Pablo** · 12/06/2006, 1:33 PM

i hope no one is suggesting that money is going missing and/or being used inapropriatly? that'd be wrong of you if you did

**NY Hoop** · 12/06/2006, 2:36 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Of course Rovers fans will make smart remarks and let on they have some inside info without saying a word but nothing new there either. Its very nice of you all to be so worried but I suppose its only right considering your renting our ground at present

Dont worry you will get a months notice if you have to leave

We're keeping you alive at the moment and the convicted criminal knows this.

KOH

**higgins** · 12/06/2006, 2:47 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

you were told by us last week something was going to happen soon with property speculators and tolka, you dismissed it.

its now in the press and you are still dismissing it.

stop trying to score points and get real. this is happening. right now.

You told us something would happen soon yet you say its been known for years ?
All I posted was nothing in the article was new news.

and it is far from the D-Day picture you painted.

IF we takle everything in there as being 100% fact it still doesnt exactly spell out disaster does it?

When you are talking about selling your ground its only normal procedure that you discuss this with people who may buy it off you.

as for the bridging loans they mention, Shels paid 300K of a tax bill in one go.
Is it news to you that they may have had a helping hand????

As I said nothing in there is new......

As for your comments about something will happen soon

Care to tell me WHAT will happen WHEN or you still sitting on the fence.

**Roverstillidie** · 12/06/2006, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

You told us something would happen soon yet you say its been known for years ?
All I posted was nothing in the article was new news.

and it is far from the D-Day picture you painted.

IF we takle everything in there as being 100% fact it still doesnt exactly spell out disaster does it?

When you are talking about selling your ground its only normal procedure that you discuss this with people who may buy it off you.

as for the bridging loans they mention, Shels paid 300K of a tax bill in one go.
Is it news to you that they may have had a helping hand????

As I said nothing in there is new......

As for your comments about something will happen soon

Care to tell me WHAT will happen WHEN or you still sitting on the fence.

you have got to be a WUM, there is no way you actually believe this.

you were told last week something was imminent. la la la you said.

it now hits the press. you still cant see it.

one of the guys who tried to **** us in tallaght is part of a consortium of property speculators who own your lease on tolka. they can cash this at any time. olly can walk away a rich man and leave you high and dry. no problems and you dont care? he sold you out on the qt and you still reckon all is peachy?

**Poor Student** · 12/06/2006, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by Galway Harps

If they were to end up there on a more or less equal footing with Rovers and a few quid in the bank then I think it might be Rovers who should be worried rather than Shels?

Shels will be far away from any sort of traditional heartlands they've had if they move to Tallaght. Rovers have also had a headstart of quite a few years in making the people of Tallaght feel they belong to them. If Shels had to move so far to share with a rejuvenated Rovers then they could be the ones in trouble.

**higgins** · 12/06/2006, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

you have got to be a WUM, there is no way you actually believe this.

you were told last week something was imminent. la la la you said.

it now hits the press. you still cant see it.

one of the guys who tried to **** us in tallaght is part of a consortium of property speculators who own your lease on tolka. they can cash this at any time. olly can walk away a rich man and leave you high and dry. no problems and you dont care? he sold you out on the qt and you still reckon all is peachy?

A.
Ollie will not walk away

B.
What are the developers waiting on if its like you say

c.
When you said something was going to happen, you meant that a story would appear in the print media basically giving a summary of around 4,000 posts on this message board!!!

That really is something .........

**manic da hoop** · 12/06/2006, 3:57 PM

A few genuine question for you, Higgins...

1. What proprtion/percentage of the final sale price for Tolka will Shels get?

2. How much of this has already been spent on the day-to-day runnning of the club over the past year or so?

3. What assurances has Ollie given you that whatever Shels stand to gain financially will be re-invested in the club and not stuffed in his suitcase as he packs for Rio?

4. Have the developers given you a timescale for how long more they will permit Shels to remain in Tolka and, if they haven't, what guarantee do you have that they can't turf you out in the morning?

5. Have Shels announced to the supporters any long-term development plan for the future of the club re: Swords/Donabate stadium, Abbotstown, Tallaght etc.

**WeAreRovers** · 12/06/2006, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

A.
Ollie will not walk away

Oh really? Here's Ollie from yesterday's SBP -

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/...story12715.asp

"Asked about the club’s relationship with Coneforth, Shelbourne chief executive Ollie Byrne said: ‘‘I don’t know what you are on about there. There is no deal done.”

That, Higgins, is a blatant lie.

When this goes wrong for Shels (either through Ollie shafting you or more likely, Kilkenny and chums chucking you out) don't come on here looking for empathy or advice from the very people who've been shouting "WAKE THE FOOK UP" at Shels fans for aeons now.

KOH

**higgins** · 12/06/2006, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Oh really? Here's Ollie from yesterday's SBP -

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/...story12715.asp

"Asked about the club’s relationship with Coneforth, Shelbourne chief executive Ollie Byrne said: ‘‘I don’t know what you are on about there. There is no deal done.”

That, Higgins, is a blatant lie.

When this goes wrong for Shels (either through Ollie shafting you or more likely, Kilkenny and chums chucking you out) don't come on here looking for empathy or advice from the very people who've been shouting "WAKE THE FOOK UP" at Shels fans for aeons now.

KOH

When asked about the RELATIONSHIP Ollie replied there was no DEAL done ?

Id like to have the question put to Ollie.
seem it may be out of context given he added on the word DEAL...
Cant tell much from that to be honest.
Deal or no Deal he is hardly going to turn around and give all the juicy details on the spot is he.
Everyone would give a no comment style answer..

**higgins** · 12/06/2006, 4:29 PM

Originally Posted by manic da hoop

A few genuine question for you, Higgins...

1. What proprtion/percentage of the final sale price for Tolka will Shels get?

2. How much of this has already been spent on the day-to-day runnning of the club over the past year or so?

3. What assurances has Ollie given you that whatever Shels stand to gain financially will be re-invested in the club and not stuffed in his suitcase as he packs for Rio?

4. Have the developers given you a timescale for how long more they will permit Shels to remain in Tolka and, if they haven't, what guarantee do you have that they can't turf you out in the morning?

5. Have Shels announced to the supporters any long-term development plan for the future of the club re: Swords/Donabate stadium, Abbotstown, Tallaght etc.

1. I dont know but wouldnt it increase over time the longer we remain in Tolka and prices go up?

2. I dont know but IF there were some bridging loans as they put it over the past few seasons is it more then what the value of Tolka went up over the same few years

3. His word

4. Your assuming there was a deal done

5. Yes they announced they were moving to Donabate, the land out there was rezoned and a lot of other work done regarding Tolka but then Dalymount popped up and you should know what has happened from there. The FAI are still intent on groundsharing from what I hear and I dont think the Bohs deal will go all that smoothly for them. At the moment we are playing in Tolka Park as there is a lot of confusion around the place, why rush into something.

**monkey magic** · 12/06/2006, 4:38 PM

hmmm, things really are getting interesting in dubland...

despite all the d-day predictions from rovers fans(the one club whom this deal might directly affect ala groundsharing in tallaght) the only genuine worry that i can see from a shels fans point of view is that ollie might decide to cash in and head for the high hills...

other than that, if you look at it, even if they only get a 30% cut- 10 million and lets say theve spent 3-4 million of that already, they'l be moving into a nice new ground in tallaght which is plenty big for them, and wont have to pay anyhthing like they would have had to get a share in dalymount

and id wager they bed in nicely in tallaght if they're able to keep their current team together(the remaining 6 million should ensure this) and play regularily in europe, despite rovers having a few years of a headstart...

**Roverstillidie** · 12/06/2006, 4:41 PM

is the value of the lease in tolka appreciating? id be surprised. its a lease, not ownership and every day is a day less on the lease

**pete** · 12/06/2006, 4:45 PM

Shels always great for close or mid season break entertainment

- value of Tolka park land increasing
- value of lease reducing (less years left)
- value of Shels debts increasing
- cost of running Shels increasing?
- no CL this year so Sgels revenue decreasing.

**Dodge** · 12/06/2006, 4:53 PM

You go Higgins, don't let these Rovers **** get you down...

**higgins** · 12/06/2006, 4:53 PM

Pete

Shels got 51K for the first QR of the CL last season.
Shels get 50K for the first Round of the Intertoto this season. They may well meet Hibs in the 3rd round and get a big gate from it, even an Intertoto trophy and a spot in the UEFA.

Your talking about what might happen.

Lets wait until the dust settles on this years European games until you decide how much we won or lost.

Cost of running shels increasing?
Since when are you talking about...

When we didnt win the league last season Fenlon released a heap of players after the final league game (the day after!!) and Weso followed to Livingston for a fee.
Cant see why you always think our costs are going up. Fenlon has said he wouldnt be going near the transfer market this summer.

**Jerry The Saint** · 12/06/2006, 4:55 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Deal or no Deal he is hardly going to turn around and give all the juicy details on the spot is he.

Shels are down to a one-box game and The Banker has every incentive to screw them over - not looking good....

**higgins** · 12/06/2006, 4:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

You go Higgins, don't let these Rovers **** get you down...

Monkey Magic has captured it fairly nicely above...

Even our worst case senario seems to look ok to me.
Of course there is always the chance ollie will run off with some cash!!!

It seems to me that certain rovers fans are more interested in Ollie running off as you know there is always a chance of Shels moving in with you and spoiling the party.

Lots of wishful thinking going on from some posters.