FAI proposals for future of Eircom League...

**pineapple stu** · 31/05/2006, 4:14 PM

Originally Posted by Red4Eva

Must borrow a Leinster jersey off someone next time we're playing in Belfield

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I imagine it's a one-off for the Derry game. It's an interesting promotional idea, I think. It's also completely off topic.

**Schumi** · 31/05/2006, 4:15 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

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I imagine it's a one-off for the Derry game. It's an interesting promotional idea, I think. It's also completely off topic.

Ha ha. Too slow.

**pineapple stu** · 31/05/2006, 4:16 PM

Damn textspeak!

**Jerry The Saint** · 31/05/2006, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by seand

The people who are deciding our futures have just "discovered" Kildare County

It's always in the last place you look.

**sullanefc** · 31/05/2006, 4:40 PM

Originally Posted by John83

Answer this one please:

Answer what exactly??

**pineapple stu** · 31/05/2006, 4:48 PM

Why, if clubs aren't being favoured, Shels are being favoured.

**Mr A** · 31/05/2006, 4:54 PM

What does it matter what the ranking at the top of the pile mean. Unless there's serious problems with Shels in another area their record and current facilities are always going to get them in the premier anyway. Who cares if they're 1st or 5th? I can't see any motivation for the FAI changing anything to boost their ranking when it makes no difference whatsoever.

The only thing that might keep any of the current top clubs out of the premier is licensing issues, which should be being enforced anyway.

**sullanefc** · 31/05/2006, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Why, if clubs aren't being favoured, Shels are being favoured.

Well according to Breifne, shels have fallen because of this dropped season. IF the FAI had done out league tables and adjusted the scoring system to suit, they would have noticed that Kildare are missing for one season and would have come up with a different scoring system to suit shels, if they are favouring them.

The fact that this is not the case would suggest that the FAI did not come up with a scoring system to suit certain teams.

**Dodge** · 31/05/2006, 5:40 PM

Originally Posted by northside hoop

Am I missing something here? Shels get 9.5 points. They played 8 games ( 6 in the qualifiers and 2 in UEFA) so the maximum amout of points full stop they could have got is 8.

The scoring system quoted must be wrong. Were exactly have these figures been plucked from.

I'd imagine they were using the UEFA system of scoringhigher pooints in higher rounds but then UEFA don't give points for intertoto and apparently FAI do so that theory's gone.

Seems very strange alright...

**pineapple stu** · 31/05/2006, 6:18 PM

Originally Posted by sullanefc

The fact that this is not the case would suggest that the FAI did not come up with a scoring system to suit certain teams.

Again, as I noted elsewhere, the scoring system to suit other clubs wouldn't be contained in the on-field criteria, which are factually definable, but in the off-field criteria, which are not.

**dcfcsteve** · 01/06/2006, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Galway Harps

What does it matter what the ranking at the top of the pile mean. Unless there's serious problems with Shels in another area their record and current facilities are always going to get them in the premier anyway. Who cares if they're 1st or 5th? I can't see any motivation for the FAI changing anything to boost their ranking when it makes no difference whatsoever.

The only thing that might keep any of the current top clubs out of the premier is licensing issues, which should be being enforced anyway.

Exactly GH ! Was there ever any doubt that Shelbourne would figure somewhere in the Top 10 clubs in the land - and thereby retain their premier status ? Answer : absolutely not. They have been the most consistent Irish team in the league and in Europe over the last 4/5 years, and also have one of the best stadiums, average or better-than-average crowds, and a strong potential. They're therefore a shoe-in for a Premier slot.

So why in the name of God would the FAI need to tinker with their score at all ??

The conspiracy theorists on here would need to catch themsleves on sometimes. It really isn't healthy......

**Mr A** · 01/06/2006, 1:02 AM

OK- I think the simple answer is that having released the document the FAI then changed the scoring of Euro game. A bit stupid to get it wrong after all the time they've had to do it, but that's the FAI for you. The whole document has the feel of one not quite finished, it's as if they left til the last week and then did it all in one big rush.

**Jerry The Saint** · 01/06/2006, 9:47 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

So why in the name of God would the FAI need to tinker with their score at all ??

The conspiracy theorists on here would need to catch themsleves on sometimes. It really isn't healthy......

It's not about conspiracy theories, it's about blatant incompetence!

- The FAI did not realise that Kildare were missing a season until they had sent out rankings to the clubs (and if they did know about Kildare and did this on purpose then why are they changing it now

)
- They have given 'windfall' bonus points to Shelbourne for their European achievements without a clear explanation of how these extra points relate to matches played.
- The figures distributed by the FAI do not match calculations made by more than one person on here based on the supposed criteria (evidence of the FAI getting their sums wrong)
- Without the windfall points, Shelbourne are ranked as the fourth best team in recent seasons. This clearly shows that the FAI criteria give too much prominence to cup results.

It seems to me that a football ranking list for the last few seasons that didn't have Shelbourne on top of the table would be a massive red flag that the system might just be a wee bit flawed, before we even move onto the other 50%+ (because no club can get less than 90 points) of overall ranking.

We all know that Shels are well connected with the FAI (even more than we realised if Rico is to be believed

) but they don't actually have any stadium plans apart from having to move out of Tolka and we know about their spot of bother with the revenue. If they only had a mediocre ranking from their on-pitch performance (after investing outlandishly on this), then an independent advisory group could have the means to make them sweat a little on the off-field criteria, if they had a mind to...

**Mr_T** · 01/06/2006, 10:21 AM

The FAI changed the scoring system for European results to give higher weighting to the Champions League, i.e. they felt it was unfair to give the same bonus for CL as Intertoto. Thats what I've been told anyhow.

Think the scoring is now as follows:

CL 3 for win, 1.5 for draw.
UEFA 2 for win, 1 for draw.
Intertoto 1 for win, 0.5 for draw.

**higgins** · 01/06/2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

are you asking what the implications of being evicted from tolka, possibly this year, without any plans for a new stadium are?

Well you see you left the part out where you think there are no plans for a new stadium of your earlier post.
If thats what you think then thats what you think.

Doesnt mean its true..

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

How come fans of other clubs know exactly who Ollie has sold out to and exactly who bailed him out with the Revenue yet you lot don't seem bothered by the implications?

Again I would like to know the implications ?

**higgins** · 01/06/2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Again, as I noted elsewhere, the scoring system to suit other clubs wouldn't be contained in the on-field criteria, which are factually definable, but in the off-field criteria, which are not.

paranoid

This whole thing has yet to start and your talking about suiting other teams ..

I suppose they have Niall Quinn in on this too and they have told him about the massive love affair with Shels and to give them 1000 points.

Actually I woundnt be surprised if Shels were to get some of UCD's points too and end up with over 1000 !!

**Magicme** · 01/06/2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

The above post and this piece of drivel from the Connacht Telegraph show why this league will never get out of the parochial little hole that it's in -

KOH

http://www.connaughttelegraph.net/

"Rovers may be at a low ebb following their relegation last season from the top flight from the national game, but their form since the start of the new campaign on march 10th last suggest the Dublin club is far from down in the dumps with six wins in ten outings.

The club's journeys to towns like Athlone, Kildare, Dundalk, Monaghan and Ballybofey have also been marred by incidents involving a small sector of their supporters dubbed "The Ultras".

Consequently, Celtic's big match preparations have been overshadowed by concerns over security arrangements and ground improvements rather than how player-manager Gavin Dykes is planning to use his experience to try and pull off one of the biggest shocks in the history of the competition."

Bullcrap......The only trouble the Rovers fans caused in Monaghan is that they tried to claim Robbie Horgan as theirs! Seriously tho, they were the among the best and most polite fans to come to CHP in a long time.

Jaysus journos will believe what they want and type some tripe.

**higgins** · 01/06/2006, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Exactly GH ! Was there ever any doubt that Shelbourne would figure somewhere in the Top 10 clubs in the land - and thereby retain their premier status ? Answer : absolutely not. They have been the most consistent Irish team in the league and in Europe over the last 4/5 years, and also have one of the best stadiums, average or better-than-average crowds, and a strong potential. They're therefore a shoe-in for a Premier slot.

So why in the name of God would the FAI need to tinker with their score at all ??

The conspiracy theorists on here would need to catch themsleves on sometimes. It really isn't healthy......

One of the many decent posts from NON shels fans on this subject...
At least some people out there have a brain.

Of course I'll be jumped on for being a shels fan but I totally agree that there's NO need to mess around with figures that are meant to be exact when its clear Shels will be in the top 12 next season.

It just goes to show how deluded some of you are on this site..

HERES A SUGGESTION

Are the figure you got with Shels on top the OFFICIAL Released figures?
IF they are then contact whoever gave them out and ask as to how they were calculated.
When they get to the point where the ERROR occurs point it out to them and Im sure once they see they have made an error they will change it.
Either that or they will point out to you where YOU have made the error.

Its all based on FACTS and FIGURES so why anyone thinks the FAI would mess around is beyond me.

**manic da hoop** · 01/06/2006, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Magicme

Bullcrap......The only trouble the Rovers fans caused in Monaghan is that they tried to claim Robbie Horgan as theirs! Seriously tho, they were the among the best and most polite fans to come to CHP in a long time.

Jaysus journos will believe what they want and type some tripe.

Thank you!

You can let the journo in question know by e-mailing him at:

tkelly@con-telegraph.ie

**NY Hoop** · 01/06/2006, 11:01 AM

Rubbish game however brightened by an exchange with a steward at the gate to a kid: "You'll have to take the top off the bottle before you come in".

Walk in and the locals are selling, wait for it, bottles with the tops on

Thank **** I wont be back there this season..........

KOH