FAI proposals for future of Eircom League...

**Patronizer** · 30/05/2006, 3:46 PM

'Premiership'... WTF are FAI playin bout at? They wanna make Bertie proud into the equation? It's not soccer for the good of the Irish the way it's lookin & anyone knows that. Sure, they've a few positives wedged in places in the field of change etc. but as usual they have to unessisarily mess around with some unbroken parts & climb an upside-down mountain...

Come on Delaney.. think of somethin even a bit different. I'll even be nice... (in addition to wws's quote postin of a certain beverage on page 11).. how bout we go for...

'JD & Coke' Championship...

'Green Champs League' lads waaaaayyyyyyyyy!

**Jerry The Saint** · 30/05/2006, 4:29 PM

Originally Posted by Patronizer

'Premiership'... WTF are FAI playin bout at? They wanna make Bertie proud into the equation? It's not soccer for the good of the Irish the way it's lookin & anyone knows that. Sure, they've a few positives wedged in places in the field of change etc. but as usual they have to unessisarily mess around with some unbroken parts & climb an upside-down mountain...

Come on Delaney.. think of somethin even a bit different. I'll even be nice... (in addition to wws's quote postin of a certain beverage on page 11).. how bout we go for...

'JD & Coke' Championship...

'Green Champs League' lads waaaaayyyyyyyyy!

This tournament that's coming up in Germany seems to be generating a lot of interest. Is it too late for the FAI to change the name to the eircom World Cup

We could then claim that Cork are the current World Champions, like the Americans do.

**Patronizer** · 30/05/2006, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

This tournament that's coming up in Germany seems to be generating a lot of interest. Is it too late for the FAI to change the name to the eircom World Cup

We could then claim that Cork are the current World Champions, like the Americans do.

Think they should market Europe 1st... they have trouble persuadin
their own around em never mind the world...

**CollegeTillIDie** · 30/05/2006, 7:31 PM

I still think the new name for the proposed league should be Serie �

**Battery Rover** · 30/05/2006, 9:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
The club's journeys to towns like Athlone, Kildare, Dundalk, Monaghan
and Ballybofey have also been marred by incidents involving a small
sector of their supporters dubbed "The Ultras".

Originally Posted by Ash

From what I could see the hassle at the Athlone game was down to a
gang of locals who we're full to the gills from about 3 or 4pm that day.

I agree with Ash. Locals full of beer. Have great time for the Rovers supporters

**TonyD** · 30/05/2006, 10:27 PM

I think I'm with the UCD fans on this. So themselves and Dublin City have little or no support, well then it should be easier for the bigger clubs to overtake them shouldn't it ? They shouldn't be penalised for having the temerity to actually win football matches. I also don't particularly see what Dublin City particularly, (UCD have a good record of developing players to be fair) bring to the league, but I'm mystified by this notion of them holding the rest back. How exactly are they stopping Cork, Shels, Derry, Pats, Bohs, etc from drawing massive crowds, building wonder stadia and contemplating world domination ? You want to throw them out because they attract, an admittedly embarrassing crowd, of something like 83 to a Premier Division game ? Fine, lets boot them out, and replace them with.....who exactly ? Who thinks there are legions of clubs around the country just queing to take their place ? Just relegate them then you say ? Well what are you going to do when they have the cheek to get promoted again ?

Bottom line is that football is about what happens on the pitch. Any system that attempts to mess with that is asking for trouble. Foreign examples aren't really relevant in leagues where most of the clubs are at a certain standard, facilities wise, and one or two lag behind. The point is, NO club in this league is that far ahead of the rest. There is a gap, sure, between the top and bottom, but it's hardly a yawning chasm. I share DCFCSteves vision of where he wants the league to be in five years. If we do reach that point and UCD and Dublin City can't keep up, then natural selection will take care of them. If, however we want to now boot any clubs out of the premier league(Premership my Arse) who don't have 5,000 seats, 3,000 fans and whatever other criteria the Fuhrer Delaney has up his sleeve then we could end up with a top division of about five clubs. Wake up call everyone. The bigger clubs need other teams to play you know. Shels v Cork or Derry v Drogheda ten times a season is not really going to work is it?

**harpskid** · 30/05/2006, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

The club's journeys to towns like Athlone, Kildare, Dundalk, Monaghan and Ballybofey have also been marred by incidents involving a small sector of their supporters dubbed "The Ultras"

Email away in response to that. No marring of a Rovers trip to Ballybofey this term

**R�iteoir** · 31/05/2006, 12:56 PM

FAI forced into change of criteria to join elite
THE FAI have already been forced to change some of the criteria that will decide who plays in the Eircom League Premiership next season.

Three hundred points were on offer for results over the past five seasons in the League, Cups and Europe but the FAI have had to reduce that to four seasons after they discovered that Kildare County were not members of the League in 2001/02.

Rankings and points distribution for the four seasons from 2002/03 - 1 Shelbourne (300), 2 Longford Town (290), 3 Cork City (280), 4 Bohemians (270), 5 Derry City (260), 6 Drogheda United (250), 7 St Patrick's Athletic (240), 8 Shamrock Rovers (230), 9 Waterford United (220), 10 UCD (210), 11 Bray Wanderers (200), 12 Finn Harps (190), 13 Dublin City (180), 14 Sligo Rovers (170), 15 Galway United (160), 16 Kildare County (150), 17 Cobh Ramblers (140), 18 Limerick (130), 19 Dundalk (120), 20 Kilkenny City (110), 21 Monaghan United (100), 22 Athlone Town (90).

**pineapple stu** · 31/05/2006, 1:03 PM

I make it...

Code:

Longford Town	115.0	1	300
Cork City	112.0	2	290
Bohemians	108.0	3	280
Shelbourne	104.0	4	270
Derry City	103.0	5	260
Drogheda United	91.0	6	250
St Patrick's Athletic	90.0	7	240
Shamrock Rovers	82.0	8	230
Waterford United	81.0	9	220
UCD	74.0	10	210
Bray Wanderers	65.0	11	200
Finn Harps	57.0	12	190
Dublin City	49.0	13	180
Sligo Rovers	44.0	14	170
Galway United	42.0	15	160
Kildare County	40.0	16	150
Cobh Ramblers	36.0	17	140
Limerick FC	28.0	18	130
Dundalk	27.0	19	120
Kilkenny City	23.0	20	110
Athlone Town	20.0	21	100
Monaghan United	19.0	22	90

Rather interesting that Shels suddenly jump to the top of the pile! Only other change is Monaghan and Athlone at the bottom. Someone was saying here that Shels' Euro points were way in excess of what they should be.

**higgins** · 31/05/2006, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by chippie0001

So Higgins, we all know Shels are leaving Tolka, you criticise UCD's plans so what exactly are yours? Where are you going, what's the stadium plans etc? Last I heard you wanted to move to Dalier, thats dead so UCD seem to have more concrete plans than Shels.

Shels play in TOLKA PARK !!
Until you hear otherwise give over the speculation.
If or when we move I will be happy to discuss our stadium situation.

At present we have one of the best EL grounds in the country (sadly

)

**Ronnie** · 31/05/2006, 1:21 PM

Stu how did you get those points totals?

**higgins** · 31/05/2006, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

You don't seem to have any sense of reality, Higgins. You do not build a stadium bigger than required or much bigger than projected attendances. You don't say "Hmmm, maybe one game we'll get 25% more than planned capacity". That's a waste of money in both construction and maintainence. You keep insisting we have no ambition. We know our resources and we plan our ambitions accordingly. For a club who has no ambitions we have managed to spend 11 of the last 12 years in the top flight and didn't take our last relegation lying down. Ambition is worth nothing unless tempered with realism, something you appear to possess little of.

Well why is everybody saying the stadium Bohs are building is a great idea??

surely they should be looking at something with 3000 seats considering that would so for 90% of their games...

**Roverstillidie** · 31/05/2006, 1:29 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Shels play in TOLKA PARK !!
Until you hear otherwise give over the speculation.
If or when we move I will be happy to discuss our stadium situation.

At present we have one of the best EL grounds in the country (sadly

)

you dont have anything higgins.

answer this bit of 'speculation': have mulden properties moved to get you to leave tolka recently?

how much did you punt the lease for?

when is d-day?

and i wouldnt poke fun at the bozos crowd. i have been at derbies with 14,000 and 8,000 isnt that rare. whats your biggest home league gate of the last 5 years? 5,000?

**John83** · 31/05/2006, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by R�iteoir

...the FAI have had to reduce that to four seasons after they discovered that Kildare County were not members of the League in 2001/02.

Quality. I look forward to seeing them running the league even more now.

**pineapple stu** · 31/05/2006, 1:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ronnie

Stu how did you get those points totals?

You can lash it together on Excel. Just need the previous results - can get them from rsssf.com

**higgins** · 31/05/2006, 1:34 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

you dont have anything higgins.

answer this bit of 'speculation': have mulden properties moved to get you to leave tolka recently?

how much did you punt the lease for?

when is d-day?

and i wouldnt poke fun at the bozos crowd. i have been at derbies with 14,000 and 8,000 isnt that rare. whats your biggest home league gate of the last 5 years? 5,000?

You nevermind when this D-day is your talking about. Sure you are renting the very same ground....

Shels have wanted to move out of Tolka for a few years now. Its common knowledge.
When we do move out it will be to another ground and I am certain it will be better than the Belfield Bowl.

If Shels did move to a stadium with 1,500 seats and safety for another 1,500 and call it pragmatism what would you all think?

**wws** · 31/05/2006, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Shels have wanted to move out of Tolka for a few years now. Its common knowledge.

eh

i think they have no fcking choice in the matter given that they have bankrolled their participation in the el to date largely on the back of selling the leases to developers

time up.......and these are better run than ucd or dublin city?!?!

the mind boggles

**WeAreRovers** · 31/05/2006, 1:41 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

If or when we move I will be happy to discuss our stadium situation.

Which will be miles too late. How come fans of other clubs know exactly who Ollie has sold out to and exactly who bailed him out with the Revenue yet you lot don't seem bothered by the implications? I'm baffled TBH.

KOH

**Mr A** · 31/05/2006, 1:41 PM

FAI forced into change of criteria to join elite THE FAI have already been forced to change some of the criteria that will decide who plays in the Eircom League Premiership next season.

Three hundred points were on offer for results over the past five seasons in the League, Cups and Europe but the FAI have had to reduce that to four seasons after they discovered that Kildare County were not members of the League in 2001/02.

Rankings and points distribution for the four seasons from 2002/03 - 1 Shelbourne (300), 2 Longford Town (290), 3 Cork City (280), 4 Bohemians (270), 5 Derry City (260), 6 Drogheda United (250), 7 St Patrick's Athletic (240), 8 Shamrock Rovers (230), 9 Waterford United (220), 10 UCD (210), 11 Bray Wanderers (200), 12 Finn Harps (190), 13 Dublin City (180), 14 Sligo Rovers (170), 15 Galway United (160), 16 Kildare County (150), 17 Cobh Ramblers (140), 18 Limerick (130), 19 Dundalk (120), 20 Kilkenny City (110), 21 Monaghan United (100), 22 Athlone Town (90).

This comes from today's Independent. It shows that the FAI didn't put a hell of a lot of thought into the system given that they missed the Kildare issue. While like most here I feel that there is much that is good in the proposals, there's no denying that it's still pretty half-assed. Still the clubs will be railroaded into it and the wheels will probably come off down the line a bit.