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..with clubs today. Will be available on the FAI website tomorrow.
Some interesting stuff, including a means for junior clubs to be promoted to senior football, bigger prize money, the scoring system for entry to Premier Division 2007, 12 team premier for two years, going back to 10 in 2009.
Not seen full document yet so thats just a few main points. Gonna be a busy old day in here tomorrow....
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What the hell is this obsession with switching between 10 and twelve teams every two years? Pick one and stick with it.
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Last edited by Mr_T; 26/05/2006 at 8:26 AM.
What is the obsession of switching the league format from 10/12 anyway? How many times have they done this, and for what benefit?
C'mon Mr T, put us out of our misery. Will Rovers be automatically promoted at the expense of certain non-entity fake-assed clubs in the greater Dublin area who may or may not have played in the single most embarrassing game ever played in senior Irish football last Monday night in Dalymount?
And do I get a prize for the length of that sentence?
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Only heard part of it but here goes. The criteria will be 50% based on off the pitch and 50% based on the pitch. The on the pitch will be standard uefa scoring for matchs played between 2001 and 2006 in all comps including European games. Not sure how it is scored.
Off the pitch will be based on infrastructure, licence requirements, attendance, youth set up and a couple of others I cannot remember. Also a wage cap of 65% of your income which in my view would end pro football in this country.
All the above may be crap, but what I was told.
Don't have a problem with a wage cap myself - if clubs don't have the cop on to stick to budgets, someone has to force them to do it to avoid clubs continually getting into financial trouble (Harps, Galway, Rovers, Waterford...)
The rest, my views are well known on. The FAI are about to be responsible for giving many more people reason to mock the league and for it being dragged through the mud, court cases, etc. Increased prize money probably thrown in there as a distraction.
Any word on how the vote is likely to go? I understand it needs 2/3rds majority to pass? Is that likely? 4 teams refused to vote for the vote, which is almost half way to the entire prosposal collapsing.
The winners will get €235k I think and over €100k for second so a big increase in prize money. No idea when the vote will be but it needs a large majority. I heard that UCD will take court action if this is to happen and I would personally agree. Any issues unless someone cheats should be resolved on the pitch.
I have no issue with a wage cap, but I doubt many clubs have a turnover over €1m, thats only €650k on wages, no where near enough to sustain pro football which is why they are making the change. The logic seems flawed.
So is your objection based more on the percentage than on the principle?
If clubs are going broke as often as they are (Dublin City probably next in line after seeing them on Monday; forgot about Shels as well of course), then the current situation is also nowhere near enough to sustain pro football either. Plus, it's unfair on those who budget properly and stay out of financial trouble to be beaten by clubs being run irresponsibly (though I suppose I'm a bit biased there).
No you are getting me wrong, I think the idea of a wage cap is right. What baffles me is that a proper wage cap, that is controlled will all but end pro football. So why do all this unless they plan to massively increase turnover at least double it. Also I doubt the FAI have the intelligence to stop the brown envelopes.
I'm confused. Clubs going broke will stop pro-football too. It's up to clubs to increase turnover and ensure they can afford professional players. You seem to be arguing for and against a wage cap in the space of a few words...?
Agree with the brown envelopes obviously.
I agree with a wage cap simple as that. What I don't get is how genisus and the FAI will deliver pro football with this restriction thats all. If this is enforced properly clubs will have to cut back and that seems the opposite to what they want.
The idea, presumably, is that business would be happier to get involved with financially sound entities, that negative media arising from yet another bankruptcy would be averted and that the league would be able to move forward at a steady pace rather than one club flying forward (Bohs, Shels, Pat's, etc in recent years) and then going broke and taking as many steps back as they took forward.
If this is enforced properly, it will have the exact effect the FAI want it to have - it'll promote stability in the clubs. If it turns out that the eL can't currently support professional football, that's unfortunate. It's not exactly supporting it now.
It's ridiculous to suggest that clubs should pay less than they take in? Now that is a ridiculous suggestion.
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I think the FAI proposals wont be anything that brings a surprise.
I support a wage cap as long as its linked to the clubs income.
We need a prize of €1million for the winner of the league and €500,000 for the runner up to be honest.
Players like Best and Keegan have played before on a percentage of gate receipts. There's nothing stopping that. I don't see us attracting a player like that unless he's in his last season or two anyway, which is hardly the way forward. At least, it wasn't the last time it happened.
[/quote]If a club cant afford certain wages its up to them not to pay them not the league to tell them not to
Clubs have persistantly shown themselves to be financially reckless. It's no harm to put a brake on that.
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Incidentally, if the proposal falls through, I think Delaney should resign.
Doubt hugely that that will happen, of course, but it should happen.
This won't affect clubs who can afford what they're paying. That's the whole point (assuming the percentage chosen is reasonable).
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