That sounds like a great idea RTOriginally Posted by Rogue Trader
What about UCD/Trinity/DIT United it would Tripple your attendances i say for sure ?.
Life without Rovers, it makes no sense...it's a heartache...nothing but a fools game. S.R.F.C.
I see nothing wrong with franchising except where clubs moved around the country as in the US.
However i don't see much in the FAI proposals that will transform irish football in a dramatic manner. Everything bolis down to need for increased crowds as everything will flow from that - tv, media, facilities, improved players etc...
It's catch 22, you'll never get your increased crowds without the latter. These new measures are not going to meaningfully increase crowds.
I think you're being too harsh on them there. The 10,000 marketing money for each club will help, as will any other improvement in advertising. If the 'A' league creates a situation where clubs are trying to get into the league that'll increase the profile as well.
What won't improve crowds are gimmicks like name changes (or, for that matter, swapping between 10 and 12 teams again and again).
Well obviously that's going to help. But I've seen nothing that's going to help that necessitates the formulaic selection process.
we really need to see crowds of 5,000 at the bigger games more often. Its only Cork vs other big clubs down at turners cross that get those figures.
Not sure, but i'm going to hazard a guess that the 10,000 will be a carrot to employ a marketing manager. A position that will cost at least 30,000 before a car, office, phone, tax, pension. a total of probably closer to 40,000. clubs will only recieve the 10,000 when they commit to spending a further 30k with it.
All well and good, but a marketing manager is no good without a marketing budget, whats the cost of an ad in a local or national paper, TV advertising, Radio advertising. You wouldn't get much change out of 100k for a decent years advertising your target audience.
Its all positive. and i think its all good, but you can't pick and choose which teams you would like in the league next season.
I don't agree with that either, but a closed shop league that included teams with big followings and positive images can't be a bad thing.
But why would clubs get big crowds if they continually had nothing to play for. 12 teams in a league, 5/6 would have something to play for. Thats not good at all...
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Fair point
delaney was on radio 1 yesterday talkin bout new league. most what he said was encouraging. he's sure the proposal will be endorsed will and that he met with 4 or 5 clubs already and will meet with the rest to disuss it during the week. on the mereger he said that it needed to be done and that marneygate cost the fai a sh*tload in legal fees but it had nothin to do with them. he said that they want to have a live game every week within a year or two.
"Even if the sun ceases to rise, Even if the sea ceases to flow, Even if the wind stops to blow, The name of Sligo Rovers will shine and shine forever like the morning, glinting star in the sky."
It seems like there are two issues here. First, who gets to play in the top flight first time round. Second, should there be a closed shop franchise in the longer round. These are separate issues IMO and I would certainly be utterly opposed to a league run on a closed shop basis in the long run. But, I don't get the sense that that is what is being proposed here.
But I am not posting to express my views, but to direct your attention to an academic paper on franchise vs non-franchise league arrangements, available at
http://www.economics.adelaide.edu.au...rtsleagues.doc
which some of you might find interesting.
Okay, just got my hands on the FAI figures in use for working out the 300 points for the last five seasons record. Guess what they have only worked out the last four seasons. This is the actual record that they have given to clubs. Also the figures include some dodgy records. Shels are top of the list, with a european total of 18.5 (1 pt for a win, 0.5 for a draw). Don't know about any of you, but with a record like that, surely they should have been in a quarter final or something.
A fair few numbers of mistakes, basic things like league placings.
Shels european record accoring to the official (confidential) FAI figures are as follows (actual results in brackets)
2001-2002
CL V Brondby 0-2 0-3
FAI: No Season Record - Actual: 0 pts
2002-2003
CL V Hibernian 2-2 0-1
FAI: 1.5 - Actual 0.5
2003
UEFA V Olimpija Ljubljana 0-1 2-3
FAI: 0 - Actual 0
2004
CL V KR 2-2 0-0
CL V Hajduk Split 2-3 2-0
CL V Deportivo 0-0 0-3
UEFA V Lille OSC 2-2 0-2
FAI: 9.5 - Actual: 3
2005
CL V Glentoran 2-1 4-1
CL V Steaua Bucharest 0-0 1-4
FAI: 7.5 - Actual: 2.5
Total FAI: 18.5 - Actual Total: 6
This extra points pushs Shels from fifth in the proper table to top spot in the FAI listing.
So in this one example the FAI are missing a season, and three of the remaining four are incorrect. There are also mistakes in the records for Longford Town.
Actually going through my original figures, there are a number of minor mistakes. I have an updated file, with the correct figures. the existing places are as follows: (FAI position in brackets)
1 Bohemians (4)
2 Cork City (3)
3 Derry City (5)
4 Longford Town (2)
5 Shelbourne (1)
6 St. Patricks Athletic (7)
7 Shamrock Rovers (8)
8 Drogheda United (6)
9 UCD (10)
10 Waterford United (9)
11 Bray Wanderers (11)
12 Finn Harps (12)
13 Dublin City (13)
14 Galway United (15)
15 Sligo Rovers (14)
16 Dundalk(19)
17 Cobh Ramblers (17)
18 Kildare County (16)
19 Limerick (18)
20 Kilkenny City (20)
21 Monaghan United (21)
22 Athlone Town (22)
If the FAI can't even have correct scores for the only currently quantifiable section of the criteria. It doesn't bode particularly well does it!!!
Isn't the current season the 5th of the 5 season average?
my reading was no, 30% this season, 20% past 5
Fair enough.
I'd be more surprised if the FAI got the calculations right to be honest. Thems hard sums......
Very good article
I can't see anything in it that wil get us to a viable stage as a league. Am I missing something - 65% on turnover on wages doesen't actually mean anything (I like the theory) - as lump sums from directors can also be off the books its impossible to fully implement.
The promotions grant is that a one year or an annual subvention? What if you were relegated do you lose the subvention and the person loses their job? Bottom line a club gets 10k towards a 40k min bill.
Costing clubs an extra 7k to be a member of premiership - so now that 10k promotions grant is down to 3k!.
POTM.
Breifne Waterford, Cork, Limerick and Derry dont share their ground. Hopefully we'll be sorted soon. These clubs have potential and a future. CHF dont. You wont be getting the boot cos you'll implode before then.
KOH
This is so rich coming from you. Not too long ago there was this club, lets call them tallaght rovers with no grounds, debts everywhere. And in danger of relegation. They decided they couldn't continue like that so they decided lets pay everyone 4% of what we owe them, steal a manager from your closest relegation rivals at a crucial time of the season and start from new.
Their massive debt gets taken off their shoulders, the manager turns out to be a lunatic who doesn't even last until his former club actually do manage to be the direct club to relegated this former great. Their fans discuss how great the supporters club and the now completely reformed tallaght rovers are.
A free stadium, and 96% of your debts wiped out. Every club in the world would be grateful to just still be in the league if they were in the situation that you have been in for the past few seasons. We may be riddled with debt and share a ground, but we have an arrangement with Bohemians. AC Milan and Inter manage to co-habitat, as do Roma & Lazio. That has nothing to do with anything.
Each and every club should be more worried about building up their own fan base, rather than relying on other clubs to bring their fans to increase up their coffers.
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