Why so anti GAA?

**clash** · 18/05/2006, 2:16 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

I'd imagine that Croke Park, as it currently stands, is a massive financial drain of resources. I believe this is the prime motivation behind the opening of Croke Park's doors to the FAI and IRFU. I know there are plenty of heads in the GAA hierarchy that are fans of football and rugby, but surely the decision to open Croke Park was made all the sweeter considering the amount of money the GAA will receive for each football/rugby game played there? The opening of Croke Park paints the GAA is a positive light but the amount of money they are receiving for doing so is rarely brought up. Why?

Financial Drain ? On the contrary its the opposite. The GAA have never being raking in as much ��'s and thats before the Rugby or Soccer guys are considered. Just look at attendances in Croke Park the last few years, the concerts (which i disagree with) etc. Its ANYTHING but a financial burden mate.

The GAA has come out now stressing that the dimensions of Lansdowne Rd arent accommodating to GAA games. Fair enough. But Croke Park wasn't built with rugby and football in mind, despite the massive investment of State money, so why should Lansdowne be re-designed to GAA games specifics? And, being prefectly honest, I doubt the FAI and IRFU would dismiss GAA usage of Lansdowne Rd if the GAA is willing to pay the same amount as what the FAI and IRFU are doing to use Croke Park. Have they actually said that Lansdowne Rd is off-limits to the GAA?

Croke Park wasn't built with them in mind but they'll still going to be played there. And about the state money, PLEASE, the FAI and IRFU had access to the same cash if they actually went ahead with a project like the GAA did. And the majority of the cash for Croke Park did not come from the government.

You started this thread - and the question remains why? Everything you have said is all just general crap without any facts. Why are you so anti FAI and IRFU?

I'm not anti-IRFU nor am i anti-FAI, i play rugby with a club here and i used to play soccer. My point is that i am not anti-any sport. I like soccer and Rugby, my point is against people who ARE anti-sport (GAA). Its sickening the way some people are so anti-GAA, even now they've opened Croker people r complaining about them for being anti-IRFU/FAI.

**Schumi** · 18/05/2006, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by clash

When has Landsowne hosted a GAA match ?

When has it hosted an athletics meet? Now why would that be...

**wws** · 18/05/2006, 2:24 PM

i can just about watch what they call "football" in the gaa, especially if theres a big melee or Joe Brolly says something ribald but for the life of me hurling is just rubbish to watch, if they took the ball away tv viewers would be none the wiser

**Bald Student** · 18/05/2006, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by clash

And about the state money, PLEASE, the FAI and IRFU had access to the same cash if they actually went ahead with a project like the GAA did.

I think you'll find that the FAI did plan a similar project but were denied state funding and had to abandon the project in favour of the Bertie Bowl which was never built.

**A face** · 18/05/2006, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

When has it hosted an athletics meet? Now why would that be...

Monster Trucks meet Rollercoasters (as in monster trucks on rollercoasters) !!

**A face** · 18/05/2006, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by wws

i can just about watch what they call "football" in the gaa, especially if theres a big melee or Joe Brolly says something ribald but for the life of me hurling is just rubbish to watch, if they took the ball away tv viewers would be none the wiser

If they took both gaa and hurling out of the stadium onto the streets they would be called riots !!

**John83** · 18/05/2006, 2:33 PM

Originally Posted by A face

Monster Trucks meet Rollercoasters (as in monster trucks on rollercoasters) !!

Don't be daft. Throwing away decades of tradition of shunning anyone who drives a monster truck? Where would that get us?

**ifk101** · 18/05/2006, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by clash

Financial Drain ? On the contrary its the opposite. The GAA have never being raking in as much €€€'s and thats before the Rugby or Soccer guys are considered. Just look at attendances in Croke Park the last few years, the concerts (which i disagree with) etc. Its ANYTHING but a financial burden mate.

Croke Park wasn't built with them in mind but they'll still going to be played there. And about the state money, PLEASE, the FAI and IRFU had access to the same cash if they actually went ahead with a project like the GAA did. And the majority of the cash for Croke Park did not come from the government.

I'm not anti-IRFU nor am i anti-FAI, i play rugby with a club here and i used to play soccer. My point is that i am not anti-any sport. I like soccer and Rugby, my point is against people who ARE anti-sport (GAA). Its sickening the way some people are so anti-GAA, even now they've opened Croker people r complaining about them for being anti-IRFU/FAI.

Who are the people that are anti-GAA? I ask again because you are strugglig to give facts. Who are the people that are anti-GAA? And what EL match were you at?

**Billy Lord** · 18/05/2006, 2:55 PM

The whinging from GAA folk about Lansdowne and Tallaght makes me sick. They will make at least ten million from opening Croke Park - for one year - and they act like they're doing the nation some great favour. Besides, accomodating football or rugby on a GAA pitch is easy, while vice versa is impossible due to the dimensions involved, so it's just bull to moan about Lansdowne.
Given that the GAA are trying to screw Shamrock Rovers and take Tallaght, I have surrendered my support of the Dublin gaelic footballers and hurlers (which goes back more than 30 years) and I have vowed to never enter Parnell or Croke Park again. I would even be in favour of playing Republic of Ireland 'home' games in Buenos Aires rather than Croke Park given that the GAA are trying to screw Rovers.
The GAA has lost many Rovers fans who supported the Dubs, and I cannot back a sport that is so clearly out to kill something (SRFC) that I love.
As for GAA whingers coming on here with their pious nonsense, give me a break! GAA fans are the most fickle, glory-hunting day-trippers I've ever met in my life. How many Dubs were at Parnell Park when Dublin beat Kilkenny to win the Walsh Cup a few years ago? About 2,000 - and I, a 'sawkir' fan, was one of them. Yet Croke Park will be full of self-proclaimed diehards this summer, many of whom have never even been to Parnell Park.
And they only know two songs.

**CharlesThompson** · 18/05/2006, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Who are the people that are anti-GAA? I ask again because you are strugglig to give facts. Who are the people that are anti-GAA? And what EL match were you at?

I am. I f�cking hate them.

**clash** · 18/05/2006, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bald Student

It's OK for them to use the ground. It's not OK for them to want it knocked down and rebuilt to suit them.

Ah sorry i'm not 100% on the issue your talking about. I didn't know that.

I read in the paper a while back that Lansdown Road has been offered for Ladies and underage GAA matches, for which it is big enough, but the offer has been turned down.

On the general point: There are people in both soccer and GAA who dislike the other code. To claim otherwise shows up a bias.

On the offer point -> Why would the GAA need/want Landsowne for ladies/underage ? They have more then enough stadia to fill ladies/underage if Croker was ever unavailible. What they don't have is stadia for (or at least stadia in Dublin) to fill senior mens football and hurling.

I know there are people in both codes who hate the other. My point is that the vast majority of GAA fans would watch soccer. a LOT of soccer fans wouldn't watch/support GAA.

**clash** · 18/05/2006, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by wws

i can just about watch what they call "football" in the gaa, especially if theres a big melee or Joe Brolly says something ribald but for the life of me hurling is just rubbish to watch, if they took the ball away tv viewers would be none the wiser

Best game in the world bar none.

**clash** · 18/05/2006, 3:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bald Student

I think you'll find that the FAI did plan a similar project but were denied state funding and had to abandon the project in favour of the Bertie Bowl which was never built.

Croker was well under construction at that stage.

rerun · 18/05/2006, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by clash

82,000 and i said ever. There wasn't always an 82,000 seater stadium there.

Have they ever asked ? Good point. Have the IRFU or FAI ever asked the GAA ? And were they ever turned down when they did ask ?

But it was always (last 30 years) probably as big as Lansdowne.

**clash** · 18/05/2006, 3:12 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Anti GAA the top ten...
1) Glass spreading and the ban

What ban is that ?

2) The sectarianism and bigotry implicit in the foreign games ban (American Football, Aussie Rules, Boxing are all Irish apparently).

1. I'm COI, Sam McGuire was COI and one of the last Presidents of the GAA was COI. Theres no Sectarianism in the GAA.

2. I don't agree with American Football being played in Croker but they were a "once" off.

3) Tallaght

Don't know anything about it.

4) The way they pay managers and administrators - basically the only people that don't benefit directly are the players

Your point ?

5) "Sales rep" and Bank jobs for the top players as opposed to an equitable pay for play system for all players to keep the so called amateur status.

Again, your point ?

6) The millions of Government funds that actually went into build Croke Park and other GAA grounds, and the lies about them being great for doing it themselves

The government funding was relatively small compared to the price of Croke Park and other grounds. The FAI have access to the same funds.

7) The political power they wield and the amount of money they get when compared to other sports, when they don't even have the most people playing for them.

1. What political power ?

2. And what sport has a higher participation then GAA in this country ?

8) The way they treat their players and then complain about burn out

Your point ? If i didn't want to play all year round then i won't. The fact is i do.

9) The way that GAA fans will give you sh�t for an eL jersey, whilst wearing a Celtic/Liverpool jersey themselves (even when the el jersey is from the same county as they're there to support!)

???

10) The constant moaning about tickets for big games when the league games have attendances of a few thousand if they're lucky

Most GAA league games have higher attendances then EL finals.

rerun · 18/05/2006, 3:14 PM

Originally Posted by clash

So its ok for the IRFU and FAI to use Croker but not for the GAA to want to use a soccer ground ?

No, but if the GAA get to use soccer grounds then GAA grounds should be available to football and rugby...

And they won't be using it for free, it's not like they just decided to play there and went ahead and did it.

**sullanefc** · 18/05/2006, 3:24 PM

Originally Posted by clash

I know there are people in both codes who hate the other. My point is that the vast majority of GAA fans would watch soccer.

Would they watch EL games or are they just glory hunting premiership fans?

**clash** · 18/05/2006, 3:33 PM

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Would they watch EL games or are they just glory hunting premiership fans?

That i couldn't answer. I wouldn't be overly pushed about watching the premiership but i used to go to a lot of EL games.

My point is that don't EL people see your losing a lot of potential fans with this anti-GAA bile a lot of EL people have ?

Look at your attendances compared to the GAA, i know myself and several others who have stopped going to my clubs matches because of the vile and filth we've witnessed.

And for the last time i do agree that my club might be worse then others, the town is nothing but a knacker hole and i have met several Cork City and Derry City fans who don't have the feelings towards GAA as my own "towny" countymen.

**sullanefc** · 18/05/2006, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by clash

Look at your attendances compared to the GAA, i know myself and several others who have stopped going to my clubs matches because of the vile and filth we've witnessed.

And for the last time i do agree that my club might be worse then others, the town is nothing but a knacker hole and i have met several Cork City and Derry City fans who don't have the feelings towards GAA as my own "towny" countymen.

Well I can say that I have never got that same feeling anytime I have attended a CCFC game at turners cross. I'm sure they are there (just read the CCFC website), but they are not vocal in TC. I can't comment on your town as you have not said where you are from.

**A face** · 18/05/2006, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Lord

As for GAA whingers coming on here with their pious nonsense, give me a break! GAA fans are the most fickle, glory-hunting day-trippers I've ever met in my life. How many Dubs were at Parnell Park when Dublin beat Kilkenny to win the Walsh Cup a few years ago? About 2,000 - and I, a 'sawkir' fan, was one of them. Yet Croke Park will be full of self-proclaimed diehards this summer, many of whom have never even been to Parnell Park.

On that point, i HATE the advert on RTE that has one of the GAA pundits saying "surely we can call ourselves a sports mad country" .... With a rule saying the 'foreign games' cannot be played SURELY says different !!

How in gods name can you say we are sports mad with that sectarianism existing and no one batting an eyelid .... that fact that they can actually over look that in that advert (which doesn't have an eL) spells it out.

Originally Posted by clash

I know there are people in both codes who hate the other. My point is that the vast majority of GAA fans would watch soccer. a LOT of soccer fans wouldn't watch/support GAA.

But the 'soccer' they watch is in a country where the game they banned has its origin.