How can 2 train drivers hold the country to ransom

**Dodge** · 19/05/2006, 12:32 PM

Can someone explain to me how it cost IR "millions" in lost revenues? Are those llines that profitable?

**rebs23** · 19/05/2006, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Can someone explain to me how it cost IR "millions" in lost revenues? Are those llines that profitable?

They never said profits they said revenue lost.

**Macy** · 19/05/2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by rebs23

If union didn't think like the recommendation and thought the company was in breech of the Labour Court recommendation why didn't they ballott for industrial action? No excuse whatsoever for doing what they did last Monday they could have easily worked under protest and then go on strike legally!!

But there was no dispute until the trains were introduced without consultation! And it's not as simple as working under protest - as once they are being operated they aren't going to be stopped and makes the reasons redundant as to why the dispute happened. Working under protest is a 1920's IR policy... Yes we are going around in circles so not sure it's worth carrying on really. Btw, all Labour Court Rec's are on the website, including the one that relates to this case.

Originally Posted by rebs23

Indeed it does! I won't ask what duties you were refusing to do, it might sound way too familar

It doesn't matter if the Labour Court ruled surely? Ignoring Labour Court Recs is the management equivalent of wildcat strikes, so it's okay once it's the management side?

**Dodge** · 19/05/2006, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by rebs23

They never said profits they said revenue lost.

Sorry, I asked 2 separate questions...

**rebs23** · 19/05/2006, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

But there was no dispute until the trains were introduced without consultation! And it's not as simple as working under protest - as once they are being operated they aren't going to be stopped and makes the reasons redundant as to why the dispute happened. Working under protest is a 1920's IR policy... Yes we are going around in circles so not sure it's worth carrying on really. Btw, all Labour Court Rec's are on the website, including the one that relates to this case.

It doesn't matter if the Labour Court ruled surely? Ignoring Labour Court Recs is the management equivalent of wildcat strikes, so it's okay once it's the management side?

They were introduced with consultation that lasted over a year.

Anyway lets call it a day I'm getting dizzy going round in circles.

**John83** · 19/05/2006, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Sorry, I asked 2 separate questions...

It's not that they're so profitable, but the costs aren't really hugely defrayed by not running the trains. You've got to pay station personel, electricity and other overheads in the stations is constant, even the trains are depreciating! A business that size has a lot of expenditure.

I doubt it cost them millions though. Even averaging it som say �40 a head, say 100 punters per train, that's �4000 income lost per train. That might be out by a good bit, but not an order of magnitude. Did they really stop many hundreds of trains? I doubt it.

Still a big chunk of change though.

**rebs23** · 19/05/2006, 1:20 PM

Apologies Macy you're right Recommendation is available on website and here's the link Case No.18456.

http://www.labourcourt.ie/labour/lab...ecommendations

I think it says it all really.

**Macy** · 19/05/2006, 1:49 PM

I know, that's where I read it. The second last paragraph really does say it all, as that's what this weeks action was about - management ignoring that part of the rec. Let's just leave it at that, or I'd say we'll be going round in circles on this issue too