Joe Gamble

**Dodge** · 13/05/2006, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

There's a difference. Doyle was hugely impressive when he was in the EL and with the Ireland under-21s. In my opinion, Gamble is a mucker with nothing to offer the Ireland squad.

In fairness Gamble was my player of the season last year in the league. Its obvious Staunton only picked him to deflect from the embarressment of picking Jason Byrne

**ifk101** · 13/05/2006, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

If the lad plays a stormer then fair play to him. Of course I will change my mind. I want the best players playing for Ireland. But that is the reason why I'm not happy with his call-up. I don't think he's good enough.

I didn't say that his call-up can be attributed to tokenism. However, I do think there are better players available to Stan.

There are plenty of examples of players that didn't make it in the English game that have gone on to prove themselves in the international game. I'll take some Swedish examples - Alexandersson and Linderroth (both Everton), Teddy Lucic (Leeds), Anders Svensson (Southampton) and Mattias Jonsson (Norwich). All the above names were no great shakes in English football yet all are regulars in Sweden's starting eleven for the world cup. And what does this say. Simple. Just because a foreign player doesn't make it in English football doesn't mean there is no future for them and that there're "not good enough". Be honest. Your opinion about Gamble is based solely on the fact that he is playing EL football - and put kindly, is inaccurate and misguided.

**Dodge** · 13/05/2006, 10:03 PM

Fairly sure the players above all had success at a much better level than the el though....

**Plastic Paddy** · 13/05/2006, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by joema

When I said fair play to Joe he deserves it, it was not a dig at you. Your entitled to your opinion!! You are being a bit over sensitive.

Apoligise? I stand by what I said - who does give a s**t if your a mod?
Answer: nobody - except for you

You're right Joe, I'm just sticking up for myself. Apologies for the over-spikiness; it's been a long day...

PP

**ifk101** · 13/05/2006, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

To you I concede nothing. You should notice that my concessionary point on Gamble was made before you started this high-horse rodeo.

PP

Your opinion of Gamble is built on what you think you saw two years ago in the Conference - you think his call up is a joke.

"Concessionary point". Please. You hope he does well - well done in pointing out what every genuine fan of the national team wants.

Deep down you want him to fail because that would justify your "joke" opinion.

**joema** · 13/05/2006, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

You're right Joe, I'm just sticking up for myself. Apologies for the over-spikiness; it's been a long day...

PP

No bother! Tis just a bit of fun anyway

**Plastic Paddy** · 13/05/2006, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Your opinion of Gamble is built on what you think you saw two years ago in the Conference - you think his call up is a joke.

"Concessionary point". Please. You hope he does well - well done in pointing out what every genuine fan of the national team wants.

Deep down you want him to fail because that would justify your "joke" opinion.

Read what you like into my response - I speak as an FA-qualified coach so I know well what "I thought" I saw.

Let it go. Notice the trend - I conceded on this to everyone but you. Take your time in figuring out just why that might be.

PP

**ifk101** · 13/05/2006, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Fairly sure the players above all had success at a much better level than the el though....

Look up which teams all of the players I mentioned are playing for now. Please pay special attention to Teddy Lucic and, I'll give you this one, his current club H�cken. Please also take note of Cork's exploits against Swedish opposition in recent years because it wasn't a fluke, rather a true reflection of where EL football is at.

**A face** · 13/05/2006, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

There are plenty of examples of players that didn't make it in the English game that have gone on to prove themselves in the international game. I'll take some Swedish examples - Alexandersson and Linderroth (both Everton), Teddy Lucic (Leeds), Anders Svensson (Southampton) and Mattias Jonsson (Norwich). All the above names were no great shakes in English football yet all are regulars in Sweden's starting eleven for the world cup. And what does this say. Simple. Just because a foreign player doesn't make it in English football doesn't mean there is no future for them and that there're "not good enough". Be honest. Your opinion about Gamble is based solely on the fact that he is playing EL football - and put kindly, is inaccurate and misguided.

Man ... i wouldn't even debate it .... truth be told ... Jamaican PM and his ilk are happy when they completely rely on English clubs and scouts and coaches to do the work of the FAI and the national team, if someone slips through and they dont 'make it' then Jamaican PM and the like are completely happy and trusting of the situation, even though there are a million parameters and metrics that hinge on a player 'making it' they are completely trusting of clubs in a different country to make the decision for them.

And you'll never hear of them referring to that ratio of Irish young players that 'make it' across the water compared to those who dont, because they didn't make they were obviously not good enough and that can be the only reason that can be considered, nothing else would effect it, managers changing, clubs going down, injuries ... none of that is taken into account because it has nothing to do with it, its clearly because the guy just wasn't good enough. They know best, Johnny Giles said so.

**TheJamaicanP.M.** · 13/05/2006, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Be honest. Your opinion about Gamble is based solely on the fact that he is playing EL football - and put kindly, is inaccurate and misguided.

My opinion is based on having seen Gamble play a number of games in the EL. He's not good enough to be anywhere near the international set-up. I think you'll find that I haven't complained about Jason Byrne's inclusion. That's because I think that Byrne might be able to offer something to the squad. Therefore, my opinion on Gamble is not based on prejudice towards the EL.

As for the list of Swedes you provided, I think you'll find that there's a difference between not being able to make it in the Premiership, as opposed to not being able to make it in the lower leagues cross channel.

**joema** · 13/05/2006, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Please also take note of Cork's exploits against Swedish opposition in recent years because it wasn't a fluke, rather a true reflection of where EL football is at.

Also, iirc that Johnson lad (who used to play for Norwich) was playing for Djurgarden against Cork last year

**ifk101** · 13/05/2006, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

Read what you like into my response - I speak as an FA-qualified coach so I know well what "I thought" I saw.

Let it go. Notice the trend - I conceded on this to everyone but you. Take your time in figuring out just why that might be.

PP

Look your responses are long past embarrassing now. First it was "I'm a mod" and now its "I'm a FA-qualified coach". Give it a break.

Can you actually describe what Joe Gamble looks like?

**Plastic Paddy** · 13/05/2006, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Can you actually describe what Joe Gamble looks like?

Ugly.

http://www.corkcityfc.ie/playerprofiles/gamble.htm

PP

**A face** · 13/05/2006, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

Ugly.

http://www.corkcityfc.ie/playerprofiles/gamble.htm

PP

Here he is !!

**TheJamaicanP.M.** · 13/05/2006, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by A face

Man ... i wouldn't even debate it .... truth be told ... Jamaican PM and his ilk are happy when they completely rely on English clubs and scouts and coaches to do the work of the FAI and the national team, if someone slips through and they dont 'make it' then Jamaican PM and the like are completely happy and trusting of the situation, even though there are a million parameters and metrics that hinge on a player 'making it' they are completely trusting of clubs in a different country to make the decision for them.

Face, your suggestion is completely false in terms of my interest in Irish football. I follow young Irish players that are coming through, whether it be in England or the EL. I know that its a thin line between success and failure and I know that most dont make it.

However, you're making an assumption based on the fact that I don't want Joe Gamble in the squad. It has nothing to do with him being an EL player. He's just not good enough. If he was with a Championship team I'd say the same. I said earlier in this thread that Darren Potter is not good enough for the Ireland squad. However, you didn't query my motive for that statement.

**TheJamaicanP.M.** · 13/05/2006, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by A face

Here he is !!

If he dyed that mohawk to resemble a tricolour, he would look very like Christian Ziege.

**ifk101** · 13/05/2006, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

My opinion is based on having seen Gamble play a number of games in the EL. He's not good enough to be anywhere near the international set-up. I think you'll find that I haven't complained about Jason Byrne's inclusion. That's because I think that Byrne might be able to offer something to the squad. Therefore, my opinion on Gamble is not based on prejudice towards the EL.

As for the list of Swedes you provided, I think you'll find that there's a difference between not being able to make it in the Premiership, as opposed to not being able to make it in the lower leagues cross channel.

Interesting. Are you saying that Stan is incompetent in picking Gamble?

And I'll think you'll find that if you ask the fans of Everton, Southampton and Norwich if the previously mentioned Swedish players would get a game with their local pub sides, the answer would be an emphatic no. But hey - there're probably mods of an Irish football forum and have a foreign coaching badge of some sort so there opinion is misguided.

**TheJamaicanP.M.** · 13/05/2006, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Interesting. Are you saying that Stan is incompetent in picking Gamble?

And I'll think you'll find that if you ask the fans of Everton, Southampton and Norwich if the previously mentioned Swedish players would get a game with their local pub sides, the answer would be an emphatic no. But hey - there're probably mods of an Irish football forum and have a foreign coaching badge of some sort so there opinion is misguided.

I certainly don't think Stan is incompetent just because he has a different opinion on player to me.

I think your arguing on PP (who's a good moderator) is pathetic. Frankly, its the attitude of you and fans like you that turns people away from the EL.