Leeds United back in the premiership

[Lionel Ritchie]

The link between some Chelsea fans and the BNF Combat 18 fraternity in London is well mapped. They are so anti-Irish it's unreal.
Irish fans in London following them is a bit Like Turkeys enjoying Christmas tinsel ! Irish fans over here either don't know about that or don't care

Well ..in much the same way I don't like seeing the masses of passionate Leeds supporters tarnished by our in-house gobshytes -I'm not going to tar passionate Chelsea fans with the one brush just because their constituency includes a pondlife element either ...I'm suspicious of the hitherto inconspicuous Irish Brigade though. Bank of Scotland and Permanent TSB could probably only dream of attracting that many switchers.

[Dublin12]

I think it's remarkable that up until Abramovich arrived I knew of exactly ONE Irish Chelsea supporter -Andy Cairns from Therapy?.

Now there's a fair few about -and I mean adults now not kids.

I just hope they gave their old red Cantona/Giggs shirts to a reputable charity is all.

I wouldn't even bother with the Chelsea fans in Dublin that have come out of the closet in the last 5 years,I was talking about London Chelsea fans that have been going all their life.As for the muppet making the neanderthal club with subhuman support remark ,you'd wanna get your facts straight before you go making remarks like that.

[Plastic Paddy]

Think you may need to change the bins there. That's more than a bit out of touch.

That's rich coming from you Dav. I've just come from the Donegal Celtic thread where I see you've been doing your bit for the peace process...

Is my previous post "out of touch" though? Remember, Bates would have all football fans behind electric fences. And it wasn't the fairies who went on the rampage in Watford town centre after Leeds had drawn 0-0 at the Vic last September. Not nice.

Thought you'd have been more pro-Kevin B., though the jury is out on how he is as manager, regardless of next Sun.

I am - he's the only saving grace about a very unsavoury club. Although I never liked him when he was the Scarborough 'keeper and he single-handedly kept Barnet from their rightful place in the Football League waaay back in 1987...

As for the muppet making the neanderthal club with subhuman support remark, you'd wanna get your facts straight before you go making remarks like that.

That "muppet" was me. And you provide perfect proof of my point with your response-as-veiled-threat. Who's the muppet now?

Would you rather Man Utd were playing Watford with no history,nice family day out or Leeds who might cause an upset and help Chelsea in some way,and the same goes for Man Utd fans the other way around.

Could you be any more patronising about a club that you obviously know very little about? You may have forgotten that, the last time Watford were in the Premiership, they beat both Liverpool and Chelsea. But don't let the "facts" dissuade you.

Oh, and as for this "no history" ****** you spout... Watford - founded 1898. Leeds United - founded 1919 and then only after the expulsion of Leeds City from the League for match-fixing. I think it's you who's in need of some fact-straightening. (And - btw - history doesn't win trophies. There's another fact for your growing collection.)

Speaking of "facts", the fact is that "your" club (ahem, shouldn't you be Leeds 12 rather than Dublin 12?) should have gone to the wall. If I was a creditor who'd seen Leeds walk away from the best part of £100m debt more or less untarnished, I'd be pretty angry right now to say the least. It makes a mockery of those clubs who exercise prudence and live within their means. (£38k a week for Seth Johnson? I can hardly type for laughing...)

Here's hoping Watford thrash you on Sunday. See you in Cardiff? Nah, didn't think so...

PP

[Lionel Ritchie]

Oh, and as for this "no history" ****** you spout... Watford - founded 1898. Leeds United - founded 1919 and then only after the expulsion of Leeds City from the League for match-fixing. I think it's you who's in need of some fact-straightening. (And - btw - history doesn't win trophies. There's another fact for your growing collection.)

You might want to tweak a few facts yourself PP.

Leeds City were found to have made payments to players during world war one - it was illegal to pay players during the war -can't imagine why -it just was.

it wasn't the fairies who went on the rampage in Watford town centre after Leeds had drawn 0-0 at the Vic last September. Not nice.

Disturbance after football match in England. Hold the front page.

[Plastic Paddy]

You might want to tweak a few facts yourself PP.

Leeds City were found to have made payments to players during world war one - it was illegal to pay players during the war -can't imagine why -it just was.

Apologies Lionel, well spotted. It was hardly tweaking the facts though - the effect and outcome were just the same.

Disturbance after football match in England. Hold the front page.

Caused by Leeds "fans" in a totally unprovoked set of incidents (yet another reason why Leeds as a club is more or less universally reviled in England). in any case, the fact that it's an all-too-frequent occurrence shouldn't be used to downplay the severity of what took place. You should know that.

PP

[Lionel Ritchie]

Apologies Lionel, well spotted. It was hardly tweaking the facts though - the effect and outcome were just the same.

The effect you refer to -which I'm guessing is paying their players -is not at all the same thing as fixing match results.

Leeds were giving their own players money -in direct breach of a rule yes but hardly earth shattering stuff. It was a widespread practice in the league and Leeds City were the only ones caught -and that due to a disgruntled employee making a complaint to the authorities.

Caused by Leeds "fans" in a totally unprovoked set of incidents (yet another reason why Leeds as a club is more or less universally reviled in England). in any case, the fact that it's an all-too-frequent occurrence shouldn't be used to downplay the severity of what took place. You should know that.

PP

While I've not seen the police report -your inverted commas and my bold text both say the same thing about these people. I don't want them within asses roar of my club. I don't downplay anything ...pointing out it's hardly an isolated incident. As for "universally reviled" -well that's down to opinion really.

[Plastic Paddy]

The effect you refer to -which I'm guessing is paying their players -is not at all the same thing as fixing match results.

No - the effect of Leeds City's illegal practice on the club (whatever it was, be it illegal payments or match fixing) was an appearance before a Football League tribunal and the outcome was expulsion from said League. It's therefore fair to say that the effect was the same in either case.

As for "universally reviled" -well that's down to opinion really.

I think this thread provides a useful gauge of opinion on Leeds. Let's just go for majority revulsion instead.

And I still hope that Watford thrash Leeds on Sunday.

PP

[superfrank]

Irish fans in London following them is a bit Like Turkeys enjoying Christmas tinsel ! Irish fans over here either don't know about that or don't care

Didn't know. Don't know what the BNF are though.

[Lionel Ritchie]

No - the effect of Leeds City's illegal practice on the club (whatever it was, be it illegal payments or match fixing) was an appearance before a Football League tribunal and the outcome was expulsion from said League. It's therefore fair to say that the effect was the same in either case.

And I still hope that Watford thrash Leeds on Sunday.

PP

Ah I see ...in that case -yes the effect was much the same. I misunderstood you to be equating making illegal payments with match fixing.

I think this thread provides a useful gauge of opinion on Leeds. Let's just go for majority revulsion instead.

I haven't counted but going by the basic math that says far more people don't support a given club than do ...why should this thread attract more pro-Leeds than against or indifferent. Start a thread on Manchester United ...for that matter start a club on Newcastle United and the cards will fall similar.

But reviled? I tend to save my revulsion for rapists, slave traders and aussie soapstars thanks.

[Tram_14]

I think this thread provides a useful gauge of opinion on Leeds. Let's just go for majority revulsion instead.

And I still hope that Watford thrash Leeds on Sunday.

PP

I can't imagine what Leeds has done to you to create such bitterness... "revulsion".... we are talking about football here & not the holocaust?

I think you will find most Leeds fans are very balanced people who just enjoy footie.......Just like you.

Should actually be a great game.

[Plastic Paddy]

I can't imagine what Leeds has done to you to create such bitterness... "revulsion".... we are talking about football here & not the holocaust?

I think you will find most Leeds fans are very balanced people who just enjoy footie.......Just like you.

Should actually be a great game.

Mate... leave the moral high ground for people that have actually posted here before and therefore have a point to assert. In my eyes that makes Lionel eligible to assert that point and, well, not you. Sorry and all that.

Having been i) beaten up by Leeds "fans" in 1985 (after Watford beat them 4-0 at Elland Road in a League Cup tie), ii) watched Leeds "fans" wish cancer and AIDS on Coventry fans during and after the 1987 FA Cup semi-final between the two clubs, and iii) seen Leeds "fans" spit on a child and punch his father after the game at Watford last September (his only crime was to question why they were smashing the windows of the pub in which he sat), it's kinda hard to feel anything but the revulsion I mentioned earlier. So stick to that comfy armchair in the nice South Dublin bar. Far better for your health, I can assure you.

FWIW, apart from the nice people on here that (amazingly to my mind, at least) profess a liking for the white shîte, I've yet to meet a decent Leeds fan. So forgive me my petty prejudice against LUFC and those that follow them, m'kay? (And stick to that armchair...)

PP

[Tram_14]

Mate... leave the moral high ground for people that have actually posted here before and therefore have a point to assert. In my eyes that makes Lionel eligible to assert that point and, well, not you. Sorry and all that.

Having been i) beaten up by Leeds "fans" in 1985 (after Watford beat them 4-0 at Elland Road in a League Cup tie), ii) watched Leeds "fans" wish cancer and AIDS on Coventry fans during and after the 1987 FA Cup semi-final between the two clubs, and iii) seen Leeds "fans" spit on a child and punch his father after the game at Watford last September (his only crime was to question why they were smashing the windows of the pub in which he sat), it's kinda hard to feel anything but the revulsion I mentioned earlier. So stick to that comfy armchair in the nice South Dublin bar. Far better for your health, I can assure you.

FWIW, apart from the nice people on here that (amazingly to my mind, at least) profess a liking for the white shîte, I've yet to meet a decent Leeds fan. So forgive me my petty prejudice against LUFC and those that follow them, m'kay? (And stick to that armchair...)

PP

Well thats quite a catalogue of unhappy stories. Perhaps you have been tremendously unlucky & have happened to encounter the unfortunate minority of thugs that are left in clubs today.

As for your assumption that I don't go to games, you are simply completely wrong. I travel to elland road regularly, I was born in Wakefield, Leeds. As for the moral high ground, I'll leave that to you, as you have a tight grip on it.

And the BTW this forum is open to people who have contributed 1 post or 1,000, even to those who generalise wildly. If you are a Watford fan? the best of luck on Sunday, as I said I think its going to be a great game. Lets hope Leeds don't break anyones legs!!!

[Plastic Paddy]

Well thats quite a catalogue of unhappy stories. Perhaps you have been tremendously unlucky & have happened to encounter the unfortunate minority of thugs that are left in clubs today.

As for your assumption that I don't go to games, you are simply completely wrong. I travel to elland road regularly, I was born in Wakefield, Leeds. As for the moral high ground, I'll leave that to you, as you have a tight grip on it.

And the BTW this forum is open to people who have contributed 1 post or 1,000, even to those who generalise wildly. If you are a Watford fan? the best of luck on Sunday, as I said I think its going to be a great game. Lets hope Leeds don't break anyones legs!!!

It's a fairly common set of anecdotes where Leeds fans in England are concerned, I assure you. I must however apologise for my earlier outburst to you - totally unprovoked and (mostly) undeserved. Just wish you (all - except Dav that is) supported Watford instead 'cos it might make things round here (for me at least) a little easier to deal with...

And I still, STILL, hope Watford thrash Leeds on Sunday...

Incidents, 20 yrs.ago when widespread hooliganism was rife, don't really come into any contemporary equation.

My first-hand story, your third-hand story. No offence meant and all Dav, but I'd rather believe me over your lot since I was actually there. Bit like at the Brandywell, if you know what I mean...

PP

[Plastic Paddy]

It's fairly clear what I mean mate. In each of the three occasions I listed above I bore personal testimony to the sheer inhumanity, personal depravity and downright nastiness of people whose only trait in common that I could perceive, at least, was that they were Leeds supporters. Ergo, I have a deep mistrust, even to this day, of anyone who claims to support that club. And it's part (but only a part) of the reason why I hope Watford win on Sunday.

Come on you Horns...

PP

[Plastic Paddy]

& there are many decent Leeds fans, quite a few amazingly.

I don't doubt it Dav. All I'm saying is that, apart from on here, I've yet to come across any.

PP

[Tram_14]

It's a fairly common set of anecdotes where Leeds fans in England are concerned, I assure you. I must however apologise for my earlier outburst to you - totally unprovoked and (mostly) undeserved. Just wish you (all - except Dav that is) supported Watford instead 'cos it might make things round here (for me at least) a little easier to deal with...

And I still, STILL, hope Watford thrash Leeds on Sunday...

PP

No Problem! & you'll be relieved to know I haven't eaten a Baby in years.
Watford deserve to be there. May the best team win.

WE ARE LEEDS!!!!

[Plastic Paddy]

However, more pertinently the next time Leeds play at QPR,which could be in as little as 3 months time, guarantee will try to rustle up 10 or so. Some are of assorted Irish heritage, whilst others have been to see Celtic play! Not all bad.

Make that 11. I look forward to watching Leeds play at least once in next season's Championship. From a safe distance, that is...

PP

[Plastic Paddy]

Your prediction was spot on;Your 'reaction' re.most Leeds fans, way off the mark.

I can only go on what I have seen personally, as discussed above. I'd hardly consider my reaction (as you put it) to be wide of the mark in such circumstances. Next time, for example, you're on the end of an unprovoked slapping from "fans" of another club, let's see how mangnanimous you are towards those fans afterwards.

EDIT - I think it's you who's wide of the mark, Mark. Check out the Leeds Rivals site for the messages of, er, "condolence" posted by the fans of other teams. I liked these little beauties myself. (The admin may well have removed them by the time you get there though).

http://boards.rivals.net/default.asp...oid=2122677517

http://boards.rivals.net/default.asp...oid=2122675789

Fair play & congratulations to the Hornets.....much better team on day, though scoreline a tad harsh. Credit to their fans also.....a pity a few more of them couldn't be bothered to turn up.

What are you talking about? Watford sold out their allocation. You can't sell tickets that you don't have. Even you should know that.

And we'll see just how many Leeds fans bother to turn up when they are playing Southend and Colchester next season...

Next season for them could be a different story; though in a way the same can be said for Leeds, B*tes, Blackwell & co., If they don't get a good start.

To be fair, as most Leeds fans' know, the club don't do finals. Well, not since 1972.

I saw enough yesterday to know that Leeds will be challenging again next season. As for the Hornets, well, Sunderland's points record from this season is there to beat. But that's for another day.

One final thought. Isn't it about time the title of this thread was changed?

Come on you Horns...

PP

[Lionel Ritchie]

Well done Watford ...and PP (though I'm still not 100% certain if you're a Hornets supporter).

No complaints at all. Leeds scarcely turned up yesterday. Did all the simple things badly for the most part and couldn't do the tricky things at all.
Scoreline was, as Gonzo said, probably a bit harsh mind.

Either way -Watfords day and good luck to them next year.

[Plastic Paddy]

Well done Watford ...and PP (though I'm still not 100% certain if you're a Hornets supporter).

http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?t=28205

I grew up in Watford and used to play for Watford schoolboys. Those are reasons enough for me to still have a massive soft spot for the club, even if I couldn't lay claim to the title of "die-hard supporter" any more. And reasons enough to get my hands on a play-off final ticket.

PP