Unknown teenager in the squad

**gspain** · 09/05/2006, 8:16 AM

No not that one...

Terry Dixon is a surprise choice for the Irish squad for the forthcioming friendly v Chile.

Makes sense to me though. He is highly rated and looks to be a real talent.

Could be a sneaky one by Stan too to cap him v Chile as his father is apparently still trying to persaude him to play for England but the Irish mammy from Cavan is holding sway. My understanding is that if he is capped v Chile then he is tied to us.

**Stuttgart88** · 09/05/2006, 8:22 AM

Originally Posted by gspain

Could be a sneaky one by Stan too to cap him v Chile as his father is apparently still trying to persaude him to play for England but the Irish mammy from Cavan is holding sway. My understanding is that if he is capped v Chile then he is tied to us.

My first instinct was that it's a cynical ploy by Stan.

**Dodge** · 09/05/2006, 8:30 AM

Bobby Robson was on TV last night talking about Walcott, saying " ala d with no first team experience can't be ready for international experience"

**colster** · 09/05/2006, 8:58 AM

Lads it's only a training camp. I think it's a good idea to invite a good prospect to train with the senior team. They do it all the time at club level.

**Stuttgart88** · 09/05/2006, 9:00 AM

Wasn't Staunton an unknown teenager when called up by Jack for Euro '88?

**gustavo** · 09/05/2006, 9:15 AM

Yeah its alll good and well saying that its a good idea to give a youngster a chance at a training camp , but there are plenty of other lads who have been around longer that are maybe not quite ready for international football who could have benifited.

**eirebhoy** · 09/05/2006, 9:26 AM

Originally Posted by gustavo

Yeah its alll good and well saying that its a good idea to give a youngster a chance at a training camp , but there are plenty of other lads who have been around longer that are maybe not quite ready for international football who could have benifited.

There is no limit to the size of the squad so Dixon is not taking anyone's place. Staunton has asked McCaffrey/Givens for the most impressive player at each age level. According to the Indo he won't call an U19 player up because they have important matches coming up but he will call up an U21 player after the Azerbaijan match.

**Hither green** · 09/05/2006, 9:27 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Bobby Robson was on TV last night talking about Walcott, saying " ala d with no first team experience can't be ready for international experience"

Typical. I know he used to manage england and there's apparently a world cup coming up but since Bobby Robson's started working for us, he's hardly off the tv/radio talking about the england team. He should concentrate on our friendly.

**CraftyToePoke** · 09/05/2006, 9:31 AM

i think his being born in england and there being the possibility of england pursuing him is a huge factor here, whatever Staunton may say, fair enough this may get the lad to pin his colours to the mast early and avoid debate and a disgracefull nolanesque scene later on but its a big gesture to a guy of his age who despite undoubted potential, has done nothing yet.

should he go on and earn 50 caps for us then it will be revised as an act of genius by Staunton, and should he not then, its just a training camp and a low-key end of season friendly so maybe Staunton feels he can shrug if off on those grounds

either way, there was more than one other player who could have rightfully considered themselves ahead of this guy in the queue at this time, theres definately fasttracking at play for fear of losing him, im my opinion.

**NeilMcD** · 09/05/2006, 9:31 AM

The man is getting over cancer for **** sake. If somebody rings him up he is perfectly entitled to comments on issues with England

**NeilMcD** · 09/05/2006, 9:34 AM

As I said on another thread, Getting into a squad is not the the Civil Service or applying for a job. Its not done on timed worked up or service given to the Green Colours. Its done on talent. There is no such thing as someone who is entitled to be in teh squad. The manager is hired by the FAI to pick the players he thinks are best in order to be successful. If he has watched players from each age group and has seen that Dixon has real class, which I agree with having seen him a few times, then fair enough. Its Stauntons call.

**Stuttgart88** · 09/05/2006, 9:43 AM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Its Stauntons call.

Agree, it's that simple. I'm sure he has good reasons.

**geysir** · 09/05/2006, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by gspain

Could be a sneaky one by Stan too to cap him v Chile as his father is apparently still trying to persaude him to play for England but the Irish mammy from Cavan is holding sway. My understanding is that if he is capped v Chile then he is tied to us.

Have to admit the Nolan saga confused me more.
In the (very unlikely) event of him getting capped in a friendly against Chile, is it for sure that it would tie down a teenager with dual citizenship?

**Dodge** · 09/05/2006, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

The man is getting over cancer for **** sake. If somebody rings him up he is perfectly entitled to comments on issues with England

PLus he obviously loves his country. Oh and he knows more than anybody about preparing an English team for the World Cup.

**Stuttgart88** · 09/05/2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

is it for sure that it would tie down a teenager with dual citizenship?

Yes, a full international cap, even a friendly, ties you down permanently.

**gspain** · 09/05/2006, 10:21 AM

My understanding of the rules are that once you get a full cap you are tied to a country. However otherwise you can change anytime up until you are 21.

The Kevin Nolan situation is different. He played competitive U18 for England so was tied under the old rules. When the new rule was introduced FIFA held an amnesty for those who would have qualified under the new rule to switch. Kerr didn't want Nolan and it's not too clear if he wanted to switch. The amnesty is now up but many believe FIFA would make an exception.

I believe there is a case pending for one of the world cup nations - Ghana or T&T if I remmeber correctly but may be wrong here requesting an amnesty. If this succeeds then Kevin Nolan would most likely succeed IF he wants to declare.

**pete** · 09/05/2006, 10:31 AM

PR exercise by Staunton. Putting undo pressure on young kid.

I was going to suggest if was as good as suggested he'd be playing U21s but then again Don Givens "manages" them...

**beautifulrock** · 09/05/2006, 10:46 AM

How can it be a PR exercise?? He has moved swifly as far as I can make out. If it was the other way aroundand Dixon was called into the English squad we would be saying "hold on he has an Irish mother , he played underage and we still let him slip through the net". Well done Stan, maybe a bit ruthless but fair play.

**shakermaker1982** · 09/05/2006, 11:10 AM

fair play to Stan. We are not taking him to a world cup like ING - GER - LAND are doing with Walcott it's a training camp. Hopefully the kid fulfills his potential and makes the grade.

**gustavo** · 09/05/2006, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by beautifulrock

If it was the other way aroundand Dixon was called into the English squad we would be saying "hold on he has an Irish mother , he played underage and we still let him slip through the net". Well done Stan, maybe a bit ruthless but fair play.

If he was called into the England squad presumably it was because he wanted to play for England so pursuing him would be pointless.