QuoteWell a smiley wouldn't go a miss but it is a bit hard to know what you are talking about at times.Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
here... i was completely joking about Devlin.. i condone all forms of violance and the most the man should ever get is a booed
Well a smiley wouldn't go a miss but it is a bit hard to know what you are talking about at times.
Who Cares?!
condone or condemn?
Foot.ie's entire existence is predicated on the average idiot's inability to ignore other idiots
I made the same mistake not so long ago and so did Bertie
Who Cares?!
Blinkered .... am i am not getting into this right now.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Yeah! doesnt surprise me! You just get your jollies going onto other threads to rant and slag off Devlin at every opportunity without justifying your argument. But why let facts get in the way of innuendo and spoil an good rant.Asal uafasach
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
It was printed in black and white in a national newspaper .... what exactly do you want like, a recording of him saying it ??
SH, it doesn't matter about the comparison, the fact remain the guy shouldn't have opened his mouth about something like that. Yes he probably has an opinion but he should keep it to himself because of the position that he has been given.
The Football Association of Ireland have allowed him to take up a position where he should strive to improve domestic football. His comment contradict that ..... its NOT my fault ..... i didn't speak to the paper at all ..... Devlin did.
Can i just get this clear ...... are you suggesting that anyone with an interest in domestic football should not criticise Devlin even if he is out of order ??
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
First of all, Devlin has not been allowed by the FAI to take up the position, they have appointed him to the position.
Next, if you can, forget this is anything to do with Pat Devlin.
Now imagine 'someone else' who is the B international team manager gives an opinion to the press saying exactly the same as Devlin was quoted as saying. (Because it is in black and white it must be true
The FAI, like most organisations will have a policy for their employees speaking to and going on record with the media. If the FAI Executive, with John Delaney as CEO, decide that the opinion given by this 'someone else' was inappopriate and did not represent the views of the FAI, they would come out and say so publicly to the media and probably privately to 'someone else' unless it was judged to be such a serious breach of trust or misrepresentation by 'someone else' in which case, this 'someone else' would probably be sacked.
Unless I have missed something since Saturday, I have heard no statement from the FAI disassociating themselves from the comments made 'in black and white' nor have I heard anything to suggest that their employee to whom the comments were attributed has been reprimanded or sacked from his job.
Nor have I heard any great clamour from fans, the media or other managers suggesting that the comments reported in the paper were out of order.
In fact, the only criticism I have heard about what was reported, has been from some demented a**hole from Cork, who has attempted to misrepresent the situation to further his personal vendetta against a man who has been appointed to a job by the FAI.
Finally, nobody is above criticism, but what cannot be jusitified are persistent tirades of abuse every time a man expresses a reasonable and honest opinion with which you do not agree and which you consider to be out of order.
If Pat Devlin was quoted as saying today is Monday, you would probably take the view that he is a liar and is out of order.
Enough now!
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
i actually think a face is, to a point right in this case, devlin, having taken up a job with the representative body of football in this country should not be in effect rubbishing our league in the national media.
as a man who made his bread in the league for so long and whos personal career has benefitted from his assocation with the league- new job being an example of that, its plain bad form to be knocking a product that already has more than its fair share of knockers.. and not five minutes after hes gotten out of it...
whether that is professional incompetence, i just dont know. one things for sure, you wont see tha fai batting an eyelid over it
arent we all just magic little monkeys...
Why do you think that is? Would be anything to do with the fact that they could not see anything wrong with Devlin's comments!....whether that is professional incompetence, i just dont know. one things for sure, you wont see tha fai batting an eyelid over it
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
I have to agree with some of the later posts on this thread.
Certain posters seem to have an agenda, which could be construed as a vendetta, against Devlin.
Posting in every thread to email the FAI about this that and the other is childish. Enough of the FAI read this message board, without you having to worry about emailing them.
Personally I didn't have a major problem with his comments, yet certain posters seize on comment like Devlin had misrepresented a secret of Fatima.
What about other League managers who very publicly backed a campaign for Wimbledon to play in Dublin?
I hope you're not implying my there but if you are ..... i just want to clear up, i do not have a vendetta aganist the person, Pat Devlin himself. I have never attacked his personality, his character or have i insulted or ridiculed him. Be clear on that !!
I have however attacked the fact that he is an agent/advisor/whatever and an eL manager, i also attacked his appointment as B manager, and i am very dubious about his current setup at Bray. I have never made that a secret.
I think the guy is compromised, and aside from that, i dont think he is the best guy for the job and the fact that that is never argued by Bray fans or any other fan proves beyond doubt that they actually think the same but just wont admit it.
Its clearly a very dodgy situation and it doesnt matter how much time elapses or how Bray fans or other fans feel about it or whatever was written in whatever paper or who attacks my opinion and me while they are at it ...... the fact remains ...... wait for it ....... nothing changed ....... it is still a dodgy situation.
I was never happy with it, i was worse when he got the B job and i cant see me being happy with it anytime soon, but that should have nothing to do with this thread. It should be about him abusing his position as an FAI official.
I seriously want to say something to insult your intelligence with you even suggesting that posting something on a forum is proper protocol for a complaint against, in this case an FAI official.Posting in every thread to email the FAI about this that and the other is childish. Enough of the FAI read this message board, without you having to worry about emailing them.
And on the email ...... the reason i post that is more often than not, when something big breaks within the league, a thread will start and it could get to 20 pages before we find out no one has done anything about it.
I really hate the fact that some people rant on something and actually do nothing to change it. I post email to encourage or highlight the fact they probably have done nothing about it. I cant believe you'd even have a problem with that.
And also, email leaves a digital record of the complaint.
You exaggerate yeah .... the irony. Even still .... its that kind of attitude that i hate aswell, you might not have any pride in the league, (given your apathy I might not be a million miles of target there I’d say), but i do ...... why am i then wrong and you are right or your point has more validity? ...... it doesn't.Personally I didn't have a major problem with his comments, yet certain posters seize on comment like Devlin had misrepresented a secret of Fatima.
Alot of peope are conditioned and meek or show apathy and complacency and thats fine, but if i have a problem with something i'll raise the issue.
And to be honest, from what i can see ..... its Bray fans that are shouting the loudest against me ..... they are biased and blinkered and cant even get it together to argue their point, they are just trying to shout me down, imo they are admitting i am right, and i know that .... i am right.
And you will NOT see a Bray fan on here to argue their point, they will feebly attack my point and attack me aswell it try and crutch up their reaction, it actually compounds and reinforces my point.
Given the history of irresponsible comments from lots of people in the league i take onboard some of your point.What about other League managers who very publicly backed a campaign for Wimbledon to play in Dublin?
But did you do anything about it at the time ??
Will we hear tumbleweed or an answer on that point?
With the FAI combing the club forums, handing out fines over the pettiest thing, do you not think there are some double standards when it comes to officials?
I have 4 channels or means in which to complain, i have exercised them long ago, and i will go one further if i dont get any joy from any of them, as someone said, they might not batt an eyelid .... but i tried.
Last edited by A face; 09/05/2006 at 2:36 AM.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
A Face - as a bray fan i agree wholly with you on this. And i know for a fact the majority of fans do too. It's the blinkered 'devo is god' and 'ah sure our club is a lovely family club' brigade that will argue and argue, albeit feebly!
It's why our club is such a shambles this year. I mean, we have good players and good people supporting the club but the guy is sucking the life out of the club at the moment. Don't assume apathy because we don't come on here shouting the odds, it's almost hopeless and most fans feel that way - frustrated!
Guys, I think a lot of you have missed the point.
Forget your a supporter for a minute....
Imagine you're a business manager/owner of a large business, perhaps even a traditional GAA man or a Man Utd fan. But the recent coverage regarding the Setanta and the Europan runs has meant you are positive about Irish football and are considering sponsoring a league of Ireland club. Or possibly buying advertising.
You're half way through the deal and a manager in the public eye with 15 or more years as a manager in the league and recently appointed to the what is arguably the second highest managment position in the country and is to be the national managments advisor on the domestic league, suggests that average standards in the league are poor and are on a par with league 2. That is Englands 4th tier of football!!!
Will you take that into consideration when doing/not doing the deal?
Also on the point of it being ok because the FAI have done nothing about it and the press have not mentioned it.
If this were to have happened in Norway (most boring league in the world but comparable if you discount Rosenberg) the Norwegian FA would have a quiet word and Press would have gone apesh*t and he would have had to withdraw the remarks.
If he were Bray manager it would be quite bad anyway, but as a member of the Ireland setup it is unfortunate in the extreme that he made these comments.
By the way, whether it is accurate or not is absolutely irrelevant, it is not his place to make commentary on the league in his current position. Imagine if an England manager suggested that English premiership players were less gifted technically and were less professional than their foreign countrparts. It may be true but an England manager will never say it while in situe, at least not without some other major qualifier indicating that they have something the foreign players don't have. How often have you heard it?
Unfortunately, as I said, Pat didn't do that either...
It is not the place of members of the managment setup of a national association to comment on the standard of the domestic league. It is unhelpful in the extreme.
P.S. You will never hear Stan say anything like this while he has the job he's to savvy.
How can we have a successful League if no-one knows we exist
Imagine Sven saying that the spanish league was better than the premiership. He wouldn't do it because he has cop on. And he also knows he would get a bollicking if he did say that.
Just on a point of information, it's not uncommon for an FA employee to talk about how the technical ability of English young players is far behind that of continental players. I can think of Howard Wilkinson and Trevor Brooking who have come out and said that the standard in England is lagging behind other countries.
The only difference is that usually it's accompanied by them saying something about how it could be improved, but my point is that just because you're employed by a federation doesn't mean you have to say that everything is great and wonderful within that organisation.
Foot.ie's entire existence is predicated on the average idiot's inability to ignore other idiots
Its hardly the first time a person who made his living & reputation with the eL is very quick to criticise it when he leaves.
Roddy Collins
Pat Dolan "advisor" shipping kids off to the UK when he spend career complaining about such actions.
Neither of these were the managers of mens national teams at the time or ever. And as I said, if they do make such statements they usually carry qualifiers as you rightly pointed out. (after I pointed it out already...)
The question at the end above above was meant to be rhetorical.
As in,
"These continental players are gifted but they lack charachter/dont like it up 'em/aren't suited to the english game/don't like pressure"
or
"Some of the foreign players are better technically, but (insert platitude asserting that despite the facts English players are as good really)"
Some of this may be part of the "we're better just because we're English" attitude but even so, I still maintain that this wouldn't be acceptable in other countries (without a qualifier).
How can we have a successful League if no-one knows we exist
Neither is Devlin.
Neither of the two mentioned said anything about English players having qualities lacking in foreign players. Would it have been better if Devlin had said currently the standard is at League Two but we're working to improve it? I think that those people who got really annoyed at it would have been equally annoyed at that as well.
I agree he shouldn't have said it, but I think some people have gone over the top a bit in chastising him.
Foot.ie's entire existence is predicated on the average idiot's inability to ignore other idiots
That's it in a nutshell!
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