Man arrested after car chase in Dublin

**Anto McC** · 07/05/2006, 1:31 PM

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/05/07/story257596.html

I've been listening to this on Newstalk for the last while,crazy stuff!!

1 elderly woman has been confirmed dead!!

**pete** · 07/05/2006, 5:46 PM

Some brief amateur video footage on tv3 complete with skanger commentary. Showed the bus going up the wrong side of the dual carraigeway before long mile road with garda van & 3 squad cars in pursuit - bit like AJ Simpson

Whole events are very bizarre. Apparently the gardai stingers (metal spikes) did not stop the bus. The bus was also stolen i think - who steals a bus???

**Anto McC** · 07/05/2006, 5:51 PM

Originally Posted by pete

who steals a bus???

A bus driver!!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/05/07/story257637.html

**pete** · 07/05/2006, 6:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anto McC

A bus driver!!

Fair enough but who thinks they can win a bus v car chase? Must have mental problems.

**Anto McC** · 07/05/2006, 6:39 PM

He wasnt interested in racing or getting a chase,i mean he actually drove back to the depot after creating the trail of destruction!!

**Macy** · 08/05/2006, 7:12 AM

Well there should be a full investigation into the garda actions on the day, as seems bizarre that he was given the opportunity to ram patrol cars out of the way. In the UK, the cops would back off and just follow with the copter...

From 7am not one incident, once the cops get involved mayhem.... I mean, had the gards blocked the naas road where he went down the wrong side and ploughed into the line of cars?

**finlma** · 08/05/2006, 8:57 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Fair enough but who thinks they can win a bus v car chase?

Keanu Reeves

Bit of a crazy story - must have been 1 seriously disgruntled employee. But wasn't he the good lad to try and return the bus in the end.

**pete** · 08/05/2006, 9:33 AM

Gardai seem to be seriously badly equiped if they trying to block a bus with a bog standard patrol car. Do these cars not have extra reinforcement? I've no idea if the gardai did a good job or not but another reason why need a Independent Garda Ombudsman like in the north that can investigate these immediately.

Maybe he'll clain he thought there was a bomb on the bus & couldn't drive below 40mph.

**anto1208** · 08/05/2006, 10:30 AM

its was crazy stuff all right it was like watching speed 2 but with a bus instead of a boat .

i think the cops did the right thing to suggest nothing went wrong untill the cops showed up is nonsence , this guy was out to cause trouble who brings a hatchet and knuckle dusters to work with them ??

**wws** · 08/05/2006, 10:43 AM

you have to admire the courage of the cops who tried the block the bus
say what you want out about them but they do put themselves quite literally in the frontline - and its hard to criticise people who do that from the comfort of our safe distance

at the end of the day the mad man had killed one and might have killed many more

theres no legislating for lunatics

**liam88** · 08/05/2006, 8:45 PM

Well said WWS! I think this thread has becoming a bit of a joke/garda slagging which it really shouldn't be when people have been injured and killed.

Also fed up with this bizzare notion that the English police are so great and amazing and perfect and the Gardai are rubbish

Load of tripe- there's are serious problems with policing in England and a lot of people I know who live in England a regularly travel to Ireland would prefer the Garda anyday.

**Anto McC** · 08/05/2006, 9:12 PM

Personally i think the Garda do a fantastic job especially when you consider the sh*te they have to put up with!!!

This man was intent on doing harm to anyone he could,the Garda done everything in their power to stop him,which included the ultimate sacrifice of risking their own lives to save others!!

**Anto McC** · 08/05/2006, 9:32 PM

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/05/08/story257739.html

**dfx-** · 08/05/2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Well there should be a full investigation into the garda actions on the day

And a full investigation as to why we have lunatic coach drivers, but again much easier to want to investigate the police or the Government etc. etc.

I only found out about this at the Rovers match from Anto, if I had gone to the match as planned, I'd have probably been on the Luas that I saw stopped later at the Bluebell stop, it's just up the road and if shots were fired at the Red Cow as reported, then it was literally down the road..

*shudders*

**Macy** · 09/05/2006, 9:52 AM

He only started ploughing through people when the cops were chasing him. Fair play for the bravery/stupidity of those that attempted to block a coach with patrol car, but perhaps there would've been a different outcome if they had all backed off and followed at a distance? Why not investigate whether the gards tatics were wrong and avoid a similar situation in the future? Experience has told us that they can do no wrong, obviously

Liam, no one is saying the UK police are the greatest thing since sliced bread, but there are some things they are good at compared to here. Crowd control, particularly at football matches is one that they p�ss all over the gardai. Vehicle chases is another area that we haven't a clue on in comparison - it's long been the tatic to back off and use the helicopter to follow targets if by trying to stop them puts more people in danger. It appears that they went the opposite root of stop at all costs on Sunday.

**Macy** · 09/05/2006, 9:53 AM

And btw, if this was the North, there would be an automatic ombudsman enquiry into the incident. No one would have to say there should be.

**ColinR** · 09/05/2006, 10:10 AM

in incidents like this it is fair to hope that there would be an independent inquiry, but i don't think its fair to use any possible bias against the gardai to imply any incompentancy on their behalf without any proof at all.

**dfx-** · 09/05/2006, 10:33 AM

Bringing a hatchet and knuckle dusters to work, stealing a bus for hours and then trying to mow down a specific person at Heuston and then again further down the road is somewhat indicative of a madman at work and not someone who was coaxed into something by "confrontational" gardai.

I'd say it started with his attempt to run over the son of the owner of the company at Heuston. An event that would've needed some sort of planning and pre-meditated thought. Probably in his failed attempt at that, he went further berserk. Simple as.

But yep, let's waste time and yet more thousands of Euro (something often complained about) investigating the Gardai's actions. Let's not blame the lunatic who drove into those people and cars...let's blame the Gardai instead.

**pete** · 09/05/2006, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by ColinR

in incidents like this it is fair to hope that there would be an independent inquiry, but i don't think its fair to use any possible bias against the gardai to imply any incompentancy on their behalf without any proof at all.

Independent Enquiries are difficult & costly to setup. A Garda Ombudsman like in NI (if its good enough for them why not us?) would be perfect as can investiagate issue like this immeadiately & the Gardai as an organisation can learn from any mistakes.

Can't fault the bravery of the individual gardai but unless is independently investigated by police people its difficult to known if correct tactics & decisions made.

**Macy** · 09/05/2006, 11:22 AM

What pete says... I mean an enquiry could just as easily find that they did everything right. And again, if there was an ombudsman as per the north it would be investigated as a matter of course. Not sure about the fudge of ombudsman's office we're getting.