Best English city to live and work in?

**REVIP** · 10/05/2006, 9:51 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

A county??? A COUNTY???? Cornwall is a NATION supressed by the English and intergrated into their country!!

Rydhsys rag Kernow lemmyn!!!

Pah! "a county" he says!!!

The last non-English army to attack London was Cornish

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/corn...bels_1497.html

Not a lotta people know that

**dcfcsteve** · 11/05/2006, 1:27 AM

Originally Posted by gonzo

On the basis of some Weds.fans, I'd go along with that. The way they call Blades' fans 'Pigs', bears this out.
Though Sheff.is the 2nd.best city in W.Yorks.

Sheffield is in South Yorkshire, and the only other city there is Rotherham. It's Leeds and Bradford in West Yorks.

I've a few mates who went to Uni in Sheffield and loved it there - but that's probably as much to do with being at Uni as at Sheffiled.

And Liam - whilst I haven't dated any Sheffield lasses, I did have the occassional fling with a Bath girl who went to Uni up there.

Had a big old night on the town with her once in Sheffield on my way through to London from Newcastle.

See what I mean about being old and single....

**dcfcsteve** · 11/05/2006, 1:31 AM

Originally Posted by liam88

A county??? A COUNTY????

Cornwall is a NATION supressed by the English and intergrated into their country!!

Rydhsys rag Kernow lemmyn!!!

Pah! "a county" he says!!!

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I'm a member of the Celtic League, and former member of 'Cornish Solidarity' - but Cornwall is still a county ! It's also a 'nation', the borders of which are identical with the county borders - but that doesn't stop it from being a county.

Describing Iceland as an island, for example, doesn't question its nationhood/status ...

**Stuttgart88** · 11/05/2006, 8:10 AM

Answering Pete's question about Sheffield, it's not that nice a place at all to put it mildly. That said, if I was in my 20s and unattached I'd look forward to the opportunity of trying my luck in any decent sized English city. If the job is worth taking I wouldn't let Sheffield put me off.

Within a 20-30 minute drive of Sheffield you're in the Peak District which is really beautiful. Straight out of Peak Practice. Chatsworth House is amazing & you've got market towns like Bakewell & Matlock to visit. If your brother likes outdoor activities like walking, mountain biking or road cycling, or indeed motorbiking, there are few better places to be near. He'd have two big football clubs to watch & both with Irish interest. You're also within a drive of York & Leeds so you could do a lot worse.

**Mad Moose** · 11/05/2006, 8:29 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Answering Within a 20-30 minute drive of Sheffield you're in the Peak District which is really beautiful. Straight out of Peak Practice. Chatsworth House is amazing & you've got market towns like Bakewell & Matlock to visit. If your brother likes outdoor activities like walking, mountain biking or road cycling, or indeed motorbiking, there are few better places to be near. He'd have two big football clubs to watch & both with Irish interest. You're also within a drive of York & Leeds so you could do a lot worse.

Within a 40 min drive your in Derby and not far over the road Nottingham.The Peak District is one of the most amazing places. Little towns like Matlock are beautiful, Derbyshire/Yorkshire stone houses.The heart of the Derbyshire dales.I think it was Matlock I came across the Peak's cable car and I have some fantastic footage of the dales. While Sheffield itself might not be the most attractive place in the world its close proximity to some of the finest scenery I would ever wish to see. A damn good reason to go there.

Brendan

**dcfcsteve** · 11/05/2006, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Harpsbear

Within a 40 min drive your in Derby and not far over the road Nottingham.The Peak District is one of the most amazing places. Little towns like Matlock are beautiful, Derbyshire/Yorkshire stone houses.The heart of the Derbyshire dales.I think it was Matlock I came across the Peak's cable car and I have some fantastic footage of the dales. While Sheffield itself might not be the most attractive place in the world its close proximity to some of the finest scenery I would ever wish to see. A damn good reason to go there.

Brendan

Sounds like another city in the "Come to Birmingham, and visit anywhere else nearby as often as you can" category. If the only plus point in Sheffield is it's proximity to other places, then i for one wouldn't want to live there !!

It'd be like owning a boat or a caravan- apparently people always think they'll use them much more than they actually do in reality (for the record, I own neither and don't know anyone who does

) . So why live somewhere purely on the basis that a few times a year on average you might leave it to go to nice places nearby ?

Everywhere in England outside of London, the Home counties, the very south-east corner, and the bit south of Birmingham, has cracking scenery etc nearby. The West Country does, Norfolk/Suffolk does, the North West does, the North East does, Yorkshire does, the East Midlands does, the bits of the West Midlands towards Wales and Warwickshire do. So if the only good reason to live in Sheffield is scenery, feck that and live in one of the numerous decent cities that also have the scenery nearby. Such as Newcastle again.....

**Mad Moose** · 11/05/2006, 11:52 AM

Christ Steve where might I start in relation to that.Perhaps the mucker has come out in you there and thats not a critisism because I like Derry

but my point is that having seen an awful lot of the country I wouldn't have had a particular reason I wouldn't have liked to be in Sheffield.I have however merely mentioned its proximity to pretty cool spots and yes I take your point.Norfolk/Suffolk is amazing for different reasons, the cotswolds and Shropshire has its own unique beauty as of course has North Yorkshire and my favourite the Yorkshire Dales. That wouldn't be a reflection on either Norwich, Birmingham or Leeds its just proximity to such fantastic landscapes. I wont say Sheffield was attractive, its had a history of 'dirty' industry which is possibly the reason it emerged as an urban area.Its not nor would I ever say it would be found in a list of 'places to see before you die'. And that doesn't make it a bad place.There is a spirit there and I found the people as in most of Yorkshire endearing. Not a bad reason to live in a place. You can live there and never ever wish or actually visit say Matlock. When its on your doorstep your less likely to do so. Just stay to hell out of Doncaster. Thank god I was only there for 90 mins plus in and out time!!!

Brendan

**Plastic Paddy** · 11/05/2006, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Sheffield is in South Yorkshire, and the only other city there is Rotherham

Nope...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_st...United_Kingdom

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

I'm a member of the Celtic League

And you're in second place! Sure you'd be running away with the thing if there were another 14 playing alongside you...

PP

**dcfcsteve** · 11/05/2006, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

Nope...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_st...United_Kingdom

I assume that refers to the Rotherham bit, as Sheffield is indisputably a city in South Yorks.

As for Rotherham being a city - whether ot not it is is supplementary to the Sheffield debate, but a lot of people outside of Wikipadeia seems to think they are. Including organisations you'd expect to know. Do a Google search and you'll see what I mean :

The government : http://www.telewest.co.uk/business/c...y_council.html

BT : http://web.btireland.ie/news/newsroo...iew&pressid=43

The Council is also repeatedly listed as 'Rotherham City Council' even though it's a Borough council.

Then Google search 'Doncaster City' for comparison. All you'll see, all there is a load of debate about whether Doncaster should be a city or not, and the odd travel site that lazily calls anything a city. City or not though, I'm glad that Rotherham United brought the demise of MK Dons another step closer last weekend.....

Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

And you're in second place! Sure you'd be running away with the thing if there were another 14 playing alongside you...

PP

There's always next season...

Seriously though, I'd recommend an organisation called 'The Celtic League' to anyone with an interest in pan-Celtic culture, history, politics and solidarity. It predates the rugby league by a fair few decades, and whilst they don't achieve as much as I'd personally like, it's a great organisation for fostering a sense of solidarity.

They've never been great at updating the website, but here it is anyway : http://www.manxman.co.im/cleague/

Right - back to English cities......

**Pauro 76** · 11/05/2006, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Right - back to English cities......

Was in Nottingham last weekend, quite a nice place, not the dump i was expecting... didnt see anything like the myth that its apparantly that the city has the ratio of two girls for every one fella. But udging by soem of the horrors on offer, i can see why!

**Hither green** · 11/05/2006, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by PAURO 7

Was in Nottingham last weekend, quite a nice place, not the dump i was expecting... didnt see anything like the myth that its apparantly that the city has the ratio of two girls for every one fella. But udging by soem of the horrors on offer, i can see why!

I like Nottingham. If only for one of the oldest pubs, the Trip to Jerusalem. Supposed to be top of the league for gun crime though.

**Plastic Paddy** · 11/05/2006, 3:39 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

The Council is also repeatedly listed as 'Rotherham City Council' even though it's a Borough council.

I work as a strategic policy bod in local government and it's my (nerdish) job to know things like local authority powers and duties, administrative and ceremonial status by area, all that kind of thing. Wikipedia has it right on this one. Rotherham is certainly not a city and, apart from the Telewest and BT Ireland (!) references you include, I've never seen Rotherham MBC referred to as anything other than that.

Lots of places try the "city" trick, although Milton Keynes is the worst transgressor by far, referring to itself continually in those terms in corporate publicity.

Since it's in Brenda's gift to confer such honours in the UK, I'm sure there will be a reason soon enough to raise a few more towns to city level. And anyway, you can't polish a turd. City or not, Rotherham's still a dump.

PP

**aido_b** · 11/05/2006, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

I wonder, with Glenn Hoddle continuing in charge, whether you'll soon enough get that non-eague club to support!

PP

Ha ha dont I know it! Hopefully he takes the hint and fecks off soon!

**Mad Moose** · 11/05/2006, 6:01 PM

Originally Posted by PAURO 7

Was in Nottingham last weekend, quite a nice place, not the dump i was expecting... didnt see anything like the myth that its apparantly that the city has the ratio of two girls for every one fella. But udging by soem of the horrors on offer, i can see why!

Nice alrite.Lovely city centre.They have developed it well. On the ratio of fella's to girls neither did I see this ratio. In fact I had forgotten it.Big university population and I couldn't understand the number of houses for sale, every second house seemed to be for sale. The three grounds are together almost with the Cricket Ground Trent Bridge (I think) just across the road from the ever fantastic (to me anyhow) City Ground, Home of Nottingham Forest. I read recently its the 'Burgulary Capital of Britain'. A nice title to have. Possibly linked to the fact that most houses are for sale. The residents tired of been burguled are upping and leaving.

Brendan

**Mad Moose** · 11/05/2006, 6:09 PM

Originally Posted by aido_b

Ha ha dont I know it! Hopefully he takes the hint and fecks off soon!

Forest approached him.Were mad keen to get him too.No not Forest Green. Nottingham Forest, I couldnt undestand it at all. Thankfully he refused and Forest were left in the capable hands of two gentlemen Frank Barlow and Ian 'Charlie' McParland. On Hoddle 'If he were an Ice-Cream he'd lick himself'. Just read that this evening sitting on the beach at Portnoo (after work) in West Donegal. For those of you who cant enjoy this fantastic weather by the sea thats just to rub it in

. Hoddle loved himself and Forest thankfully never got him. There's only so far you can slide until you find your feet again.

Brendan

**Paddyfield** · 11/05/2006, 9:45 PM

Here's some cheap advice.....avoid Hull. It's a kip.
Picture Killybegs with double-decker busses and a strong smell of haddock.

Not so nice, eh?

PS Everyone wears tracksuits.

**dcfcsteve** · 12/05/2006, 1:11 AM

Originally Posted by gonzo

Banged to rights on the 'county' front.

Though Rotherham is no more a city than Limavady & is a bit of a dump. & ' Donny' not too hot either.

Rotherham is about the size of central Belfast - way bigger than Derry even, and massively bigger than Limavady !!

Limavady is just a spit on the map. If it was nearer to Derry it'd be a small suburb of the city. Though eventually it will be....