I think Shels, City, Drogs and Derry would survive.
European results suggest that the eL is already on a par with the non Old Firm teams. Nothing suggests that we can match the Old Firm in the near future. Frankly, given how their fans behave, I'm happy with that.Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
Please point out where one person has claimed otherwise.I do not agree that 3/4 EL teams would survive in the CCC.
You can't spell failure without FAI
I disagree. I hold that opinion for several reasons. Chief among them is that clubs in the CCC tend to be larger and better funded than any of the clubs mentioned above. Moreover, they pay their players better which means that they will attract better players. On a once-off a team like Shels could beat a team like Seffield Wednesday but over a period of time the economics make it clear that they cannot compete.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Was there a match on then?
That's always sung. Remarkably irritating, especially as you can't drown it out with anything if you're singing the proper version. I think it started about ten years ago with some crap dance/rave song which threw it in? I remember that song and I don't remember hearing the IRA/Sinn Féin stuff before then. If that's the case, whoever had that "song" should be summarily shot for crimes against Irish culture.
Poor performance. Thought Kilbane was superb (relatively). 2002 World Cup showed he could play at left-back anyway, so no real surprises. Got forward well and tackled well also. Definite option there.
Kav did well, Byrne did well when he came on, thought Reid had a good game but it looks like I'm in the minority.
As for a meaningless game - McCarthy had a few friendlies at the start of his era when he tried out various things - 3-5-2 most prominently. They didn't work; he stopped (eventually). If this game serves to get 3-4-1-2 out of Staunton's system, it'll have been worth it.
John83 - Crowe had spells at Torquay and Exeter in Division 3 as well. Went out on loan from Wolves to join them.
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Ridiculous - Shels beat Sheffield fcukin Wednesday everyday of the week. Bigger history and better TV backing maybe but i'd like to compare Shels and Sheff Weds wage bill.
I'd love to see Deportivo La Coruna v Sheff Wed at hillborough in a competitive game - it would be a massacre.
Open your eyes and give the eL a bit of credit - the problem is perception due to Sky bloody sports in Irish living rooms selling a foreign product to Irish people who couldnt be bothered to get off thier @rses a see how good the game is here now. On an overall scale England has 92 professional clubs - we have 4 - of course thats going to create more money etc - but if you look at the bare facts on the pitch and the better team is, to me, obvious.
I'm off to wash out my mouth now after saying so many nice things about Shels
Touché.
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You can't spell failure without FAI
Like apostrophie?
By the way - can a mod split this?
You're missing my point, any team can win on a one-off but over the long term a better financed team (wjich you admit yourself) like Sheffield Wednesday will, over time, be consistently better than a Shelbourne. I find it highly unlikely that Shelbourne's wage bill is as high as Wednesday's.
Let's stick with logic shall we. Firstly, we are speaking only about the CCC (by which I mean Division 1 of the English league). That excludes some 70 or so teams. I would wager that the wage bill and overall revenue stream and budget for all 20 teams is larger than Shelbourne's (who are close to being the best financed team in Ireland). Given that and given the maxim that the better players follow the better $$ then it is clear that, over a season a better financed, better paying team will usually beat a lesser financed, lesser paying team.On an overall scale England has 92 professional clubs - we have 4 - of course thats going to create more money etc - but if you look at the bare facts on the pitch and the better team is, to me, obvious.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Bugger.Like apostrophie?
By the way - can a mod split this?
Yes, the debate about the level of the eL doesn't belong here. It's a bitch to split at this stage, but whose fault is that for being slow?
You can't spell failure without FAI
The very same Shelbourne blew that argument out of the water last season.
People are making up excuses for the defeat, like the players had their eyes on their holidays after a long season, something I don't accept.
These guys are highly-paid professionals, and playing for your country should be a blessing, not a burden. If you're on your last day at work before a break, you concentrate on doing your job efficiently until you are finished your shift, then you go on your holidays. If you have school exams, you don't do the last exam half-heartedly. You do it to the best of your ability and only then, do you think about your holidays.
Losing this match in the short term = 3 defeats at former Fortress Lansdowne in 5 games, and a further slide down the world rankings. In the longer term, if we're outplayed at home by the likes of Chile, you fear how the team will cope when they face better players from Holland, Germany, and the Czechs in the autumn.
He was the best player out there in the time he was on, showing the fitness benefits of playing summer football.Byrne did well when he came on
Again, you are missing the point. Over time, the better financed team will win more, on average, than the lesser financed team.
Again, how exactly did Shelbourne blow that out of the water? By getting beaten by Deportivo? Putting up a good performance? On that basis, the Faroe Islands are a world class team seeing as how they beat Austria once.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Shels had all the money last year, bought all best players and didn't even challenge for the title, they ended up trophyless...over the season.
Ah come off it Fergie's Son - what about Bolton who have very little money doing better than a team like Aston Villa who have loads in comparison. I mean you are dealing in black and white facts and figures - football is not like that - its very difficult to compare leagues in different countrys but to my mind a team like Shelbourne competes very well in the Championship cos they have decent players who are on a par with teams in the middle of the CCC. Football matches are won on the pitch not with the money a certain team may or may not have. I mean Sheff Wed get 20,000 odd at most games - they should be in the Premiership ffs!
Again it brings me back to my point over the perception of the eL. People like to think that THe Championship is miles better than the eL and have all these facts and figures to back up the argument. Facts and figures usually mean nothing unless your not looking after your finances properly. it's much more convienient to sit in front of the TV and "support" your team than get out and support your local team where god forbid your eyes might be opened to a decent level of football that doesnt appear on Sky Sports HD!!!
Well put Real Ale...Wigan would've been a better example than Bolton though...
Which you can directly contrast with Chelsea.
Again, you need to put it into context. A team with roughly the same financial prowess (Arsenal, Liverpool, Man. U. etc.) will be expected, over time, to continue to maintain a title challenge year after year. One need only look at teams that vanished such as Blackburn when Walker's money ran out to support this truism.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Which is why I am trying to find an objective criteria to make a comparisson. We have a very simple objective criteria in the form of wages.
The market will not support paying of wages to a player who is not as good as other players. He will soon find himself sold or dropped. The LOI pays their players less because of two reasons:
1. They can. That is, those players can't get paid more in other leagues because they either can't cut it or they have not been discovered yet.
2. The LOI does not have the same financial strength as the CCC so it can't pay it's players that much. That means that it won't attract the better players because they will go where they can earn more money.
Additionally, whilst Wigan are a good example they are also a poor example. They may have done better than Villa this year but over the history of the two teams Villa are a vastly superior and more successful club. You really must look at this in context.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
lads it was a nothing game. Chile are preparing for a world cup ireland are preparing for some pina coladas on a beach.
its a waste of money going to watch a post season friendly coz the players dont care after a long season(unless the are making debuts)....and you cant blame them either.
You keep making the same point using your "obective critera" and spouting off the same thing over and over. i understand what you are saying. The financial strength of the league or leagues as a whole is not a valid argument anyway as some teams have much more resouces available to them as others - its how you utilise it is whats important - anyway we could argue about the merits of one league over another until you are blue in the face. Get out and support an eL team for a year and see what your feelings are then
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