Bohs move?

**A face** · 04/05/2006, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ronnie

I cannot see the financial benefits of staying - it strikes me its like the bachelor farmers living in poverty but owning land worth a fortune, If Dalymount is worth 50m or 100m its completeld irrelevant unless it is sold.

Exactly, thats why the move is good and probably necessary (from what the members are saying) and sooner rather than later ...... BUT that did not, doesn't and will never justify moving to the wrong place.

You cannot present that as part of the argument because if you do then you'll definitely confuse and over complicate the whole process. It is only a given, an assumption .... it should never be part of the decision, just a component of the choices.

Members should be looking to make the decision process as easy as possible. Its hard enough without making it harder.

**bigmac** · 04/05/2006, 4:27 PM

i agree that the M50 is not the ideal location for a stadium, but are there really that many alternatives? If the new site could include training pitches and good academy style facilities, then perhaps it would be worth sacrificing some of the ideal location. Remember as well that the move will be cushioned by a nice lump sum in cash that could swing the deal.

**pete** · 04/05/2006, 5:18 PM

IMO Bohs should vote amoung their members with just 1 question - Should be negotiate a move away from Dalymount. Assuming that is Yes then some sort of group/committee should negotiate with prospective purchasers of Dalymount. The committee could then bring the various proposals plus recommendation to the members...

Is there a link to map of proposed new stadium?

If Bohs sold Dalymount for cash would they be able to convince a local authority to rezone land for sports use therefore getting soem cheap land to build on themselves?

**Dodge** · 04/05/2006, 5:29 PM

Few links on the BOhs board pete. If you know the M50. its right beside the toll bridge.

**Bald Student** · 04/05/2006, 6:22 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Is there a link to map of proposed new stadium?

It's the field to the left of the toll bridge here:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...17381&t=h&om=1

**pete** · 05/05/2006, 10:31 AM

Shocking location. Bohs would surely be able to find better site themselves as hard to imagine worse location. I think know where that road under the M50 is & very easy to get lost out there. Been a while since been out that way but not much development in that area from what i can remember.

**Dodge** · 05/05/2006, 11:45 AM

I'm going to a wedding in that hotel tomorrow and have been up there this week. There is NOTHING around it (within 20 minutes walk) bar 4/5 bungalows

**Dricky** · 05/05/2006, 11:58 AM

The plan for the road network out in Carpenterstown will link the arrea to the Carpenterstown roads, it will be a lot closer when that network is linked up. If you take a trip out now it seems miles from anything but thats not for long.

**pete** · 05/05/2006, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I'm going to a wedding in that hotel tomorrow and have been up there this week. There is NOTHING around it (within 20 minutes walk) bar 4/5 bungalows

I think the sole reason that area not developed more (Castleknock commands decent prices) is that the access is very poor locked in between the Liffey & the M50. Most roads out that way are almost country lanes.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 06/05/2006, 10:21 AM

A face is right
And Cork City fans who have supported the club for more than 5 minutes should know . I visited Bishopstown on one occasion during the 1995/96 season for a game between Cork City and UCD. I took an afternoon off work and arrived in Cork and on my way to the ground got stuck in a traffic jam outside a shopping centre on the approaches to Bishopstown. By the time I got parked on a wet miserable night , and into the ground I had missed the first ten minutes of the game.

Unless access issues are addressed , similar vistas await fans visiting Dalymount II at the M50 Toll plaza field ( on your left heading south on the M50). P.S. Bohs should approach National Toll Roads to sponsor the ground. NTR Park anyone?

**Dodge** · 06/05/2006, 11:39 AM

Seriously, I was a t agame in Cork with less than 500 fans there and half of them were Pats fans (and Cork were relatively succesful then)

**pete** · 06/05/2006, 11:48 AM

Bishopstown was just ouside the exisiting suburbs at that time but not the ring road & exit goes staright past with dog track next to it.

The Bohs Castleknock problem is that it is locked in between the M50, river liffey & Phoenix Park making future access from beyond a few miles difficult.

**crc** · 06/05/2006, 3:58 PM

How far is it from Coolmine Station? I tried to measure it on a map and its about 1km exactly. The lesson from Bishopstown is that it could have been the right location, it was just built 7 or 8 years too early. If it went ahead now there would be very few better locations in Cork city as it is rights next to the Ballincollig bypass and the South Ring Road. The Maynooth rail line will eventually be electrified and be converted to DART. The road network would need to be improved, but being next to a commuter rail station could be a real asset, especially if the service is going to be improved in the future. And of course Bohs would be able to afford to bide their time for a few years, as Cork City weren't able to do.

For comparison purposes I also measured:
Richmond Park is 500m from the Luas,
Turner's Cross is 900m from the Blackash P&R,
Dalymount 1km from Drumcondra Station,
Belfield 2km from Booterstown,
Tolka 700m from Drumcondra Station,
Brandywell 1,100m from Derry city centre (The Diamond)
Tallaght Stadium will be 400m from The Square Luas stop.

**thejollyrodger** · 06/05/2006, 7:41 PM

its a crap location lads

**sonofstan** · 06/05/2006, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

on your left heading south on the M50). P.S. Bohs should approach National Toll Roads to sponsor the ground. NTR Park anyone?

on your left heading NORTH - unless you southsiders drive continental, like

**A face** · 07/05/2006, 1:01 AM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

I visited Bishopstown on one occasion during the 1995/96 season for a game between Cork City and UCD. I took an afternoon off work and arrived in Cork and on my way to the ground got stuck in a traffic jam outside a shopping centre on the approaches to Bishopstown. By the time I got parked on a wet miserable night , and into the ground I had missed the first ten minutes of the game.

That is exactly what i'm on about .... and bear in mind crc's post just above with the distances .... the bus stop that was nearest the ground at the time was not a million miles away by any means BUT people just wouldn't go there. Agreed there were a number of factors and yeah City didn't have the money to keep things afloat at the time but it is essentially the same problem. Will people head into rush hour traffic or journey a few miles to see a game or will the just stay at home?

There are a few members on here .... maybe you could raise this and try and address it ...... if it is over looked and ignored then it'll be a problem. Basically you will be wanting people who have been going to Dayler for years to change a habit of a lifetime ... its alright for the core support BUT its not them you are worried about.