Dream ticket' would not stop Bohs groundsharing

**Dr.Nightdub** · 04/05/2006, 12:45 AM

1. Can't imagine Shels fans being too chuffed - the prospect of moving out ot Donabate didn't seem to warm their little hearts when it was floated. We'd probably let them share Richmond for a reasonable rent if that made them feel any better.

2. Not that they actually have much of a say in the matter, but at a guess I'd say Rovers' preference for co-tenants is, in descending order, us, Shels and the GAA. They could tolerate us as being no huge threat but the idea of competing with Shels for the favours of the event-junkie public seems to be more of a worry. Sharing with the GAA being an option wouldd make them puke.

3. Rovers, by a long shot.

4. With the airport in the way, I'd say the only northside alternative for Bohs would be somewhere between Swords and Balbriggan. Castleknock isn't that far from Blanch / Navan Road where a lot of their fan base is already from and with the amounts of money that are being bandied about, they could afford to bus the rest in from Phibsboro / Cabra / Finglas.

**Saint Tom** · 04/05/2006, 3:58 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub

3. Rovers, by a long shot.

I'd qualify that one doc. We have a far bigger presence in Tallaght than we realise. I'm from Tallaght myself, as well as many regulars.

Regarding the issue at hand. The area in question is adjacent to adamsown (the biggest single developement of residential property in Irish history). Its not a million miles from their existing fan base. Its north of the Liffey and connections to the new metro lines would be very do-able.

I am against Pats moving to Tallaght, because I dont feel it is in the ineterst of our club. I do believe that this is a good opportunity for Bohemains. They are owned by members whereas, we are owned by individuals who will cash in their stake upon moving. They dont have that worry

I dont think capacity needs to exceed 10000 coupled with hospitality areas and bars. Ideal for an eircom league club.

**Ceirtlis** · 04/05/2006, 5:22 PM

bohs or any other eircom league club do not need a 20000 seater stadium. they should just focus on building a decent stadium of about 8000 capacity. longfords ground for me is a prime example. there are seats in that ground i would say have never been sat in and that was includes semi finals in the fai cup and thats the biggest game ya can get next to a title decider. one of the greatest mistakes in my opinion of recent times has been the knocking of the shed end in cork. it was an example of what was good in el grounds. you can not compare eircom league soccer to irish greyhound racing either. i work at waterford greyhound stadium and going there is completely different to going to an el match. at soccer matches you sit down and watch the game. at the greyhound stadium you arse around drinking pints having a laugh and you dont really care all that much whats going on out on the track.
just to finish off bohs need a stadium with comfortable seating, good facilties and access to facilities bar etc, and a good atmosphere which is better developed from having a higher ground occupancy. the theory "if you build it they will come," is imo ******.

**soccerc** · 04/05/2006, 5:41 PM

Originally Posted by Saint Tom

Regarding the issue at hand. The area in question is adjacent to adamsown (the biggest single developement of residential property in Irish history).

FFS Tom, the proposed site of Bohs' new stadium is nowhere near Adamstown - they are on completely different sides of the Liffey.

However, a little bird told me (and incidentally I believe him) that one of the developers involved in the Adamstown project mooted a similar landswap/stadium deal to St Pat's in the not too distant past.

**thejollyrodger** · 04/05/2006, 8:53 PM

Shelbourne rule out Castleknock groundshare
04/05/2006 - 16:59:43

Shelbourne have reiterated on the eve of Bohemians members’ meeting about the future of Dalymount Park that they will not groundshare with the Gypsies if they move to Castleknock.

Bohemians members meet tonight to vote on an offer to sell Dalymount Park and move to Castleknock and there were some suggestions that a groundshare option in Castleknock has not been ruled out.

However, Shelbourne have insisted that the only groundshare option on their agenda is at Dalymount Park.http://breaking.tcm.ie/2006/05/04/story257214.html

well some good news at least

**anto eile** · 04/05/2006, 9:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub

Is that for definite? If so, very interesting - it could get us out of a nasty hole if the scenario worked out like this:
- Bohs tell Ollie to shag off
- High Court tells GAA to shag off
- SDCC complete Tallaght
- Rovers move into Tallaght
- Ollie brown-noses SDCC
- Shels move into Tallaght
- Bohs swap the Tramway End for the Motorway End
- government willing to fund two stadia in Dublin
- Richmond turned into a four-sided, all-covered, all-seated ground with 5700 capacity, corporate facilities, a bar, etc with the government getting change out of �6 million (according to our Board)

i can see shels in tallaght.theyl have nowhere else to go, and cant afford to build their own green field stadium

cant see the govenrnment building richmond like that. its in a brutal location for a modern football stadium. and o donoghue said he'd build 2 10,000 seater stadiums in dublin,one in the south, one on the northside.

if boez got E20+M, it would be advisable to A: build a training academy/centre of excellence and B: make several investments like pubs, rental properties like offices etc, building up assets for long term income and security. but being the eircom league theyl probably spend all their money on buying david beckham on a one season contract or something stupid

**A face** · 05/05/2006, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by anto eile

buying david beckham on a one season contract

Now theres a plan for ya !!

Do you think the members would go for it ??

**Block G Raptor** · 05/05/2006, 9:02 AM

Looks like a done deal
http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0505/dalymount.html

**Gareth** · 05/05/2006, 10:09 AM

Sorry but the site they describe, is that actually Castleknock? Why is everywhere in west dublin labelled Castleknock?

Sniff, I always wanted Shels to move to D15. Boo hoo. I am off to cry into my drink....

**Gareth** · 05/05/2006, 10:40 AM

Its all down to the Barony of Castleknock. The title Castleknock seems to now refer to the barony of Castleknock which stretches from Cabra to Clonee on the Meath border on the one hand and from Chapelizod to Finglas in the other direction. Castleknock when I was growing up, as a village went to Castleknock College, the side of the Phoenix Park Racecourse and to the hump bridge as you cross to Blanch. Its really annoys me. Its like saying Cork people are Kerry people cos well, its close by eh!!! Grrrrr....

**CollegeTillIDie** · 06/05/2006, 11:52 AM

Ok if Dalymount is granted Planning permission and Bohs move to Gridlock central Stadium.
1/They ground share with Dublin City
2/ St. Patrick's Athletic stay where they are....... because it will be
3/ Shelbourne who will move to Tallaght and given you can reach there by LUAS, even Northsiders can get there.

**Poor Student** · 06/05/2006, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

1/They ground share with Dublin City

Given the club's small fanbase and the alleged difficulty it will be to get to the ground, that sounds like a non-starter. Also, given City's accounts, it doesn't look likely they'll exist by then.

**Roverstillidie** · 06/05/2006, 12:03 PM

assuming the bozos get this sorted and move into castleknock park, why would they share with anyone? they dont need the loot anymore and the fai cant threaten them over funding.

**dcfcsteve** · 06/05/2006, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub

- government willing to fund two stadia in Dublin
- Richmond turned into a four-sided, all-covered, all-seated ground with 5700 capacity, corporate facilities, a bar, etc with the government getting change out of €6 million (according to our Board)

The government is only willing to fund two stadia in Dublin in so far as it meets their objectiove of shared stadia for the 4 main teams there.

If Bohs go on their own, and Rovers and Shels shared Tallaght, I really couldn't see them putting funding into modernising Richmond just for Pat's. That would go against what they're trying to achieve - and open a can of worms (if they fund a stadium for one club, they'd be under pressure to do likewise for everyone else). Maybe if you took in another club, but the government have been very clear on their intention to use stadia funding as a tool to drive sharing of facilities.

**monkey magic** · 06/05/2006, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

The government is only willing to fund two stadia in Dublin in so far as it meets their objectiove of shared stadia for the 4 main teams there.

If Bohs go on their own, and Rovers and Shels shared Tallaght, I really couldn't see them putting funding into modernising Richmond just for Pat's. That would go against what they're trying to achieve - and open a can of worms (if they fund a stadium for one club, they'd be under pressure to do likewise for everyone else). Maybe if you took in another club, but the government have been very clear on their intention to use stadia funding as a tool to drive sharing of facilities.

dub city for richmond groundshare?? it would a way round the funding block for pats and i cant se anyone having a problem with it...

**Dr.Nightdub** · 06/05/2006, 1:50 PM

Or:
1. Bohs share the M50 Stadium with CHF
2. We share Richmond with Shels
3. Rovers share Tallaght with the GAA

**bad mongo** · 06/05/2006, 2:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub

Or:
1. Bohs share the M50 Stadium with CHF
2. We share Richmond with Shels
3. Rovers share Tallaght with the GAA

What makes pats fans so optomistic that richer won't be sold out from under them? who the hell owns the place anyway?. If I was a descendant of one of Cromwell's troops I'd be rooting around the English land reg looking for that 999 year burcage lease on the stadium of light

**Saint Tom** · 06/05/2006, 4:04 PM

would have shels as tenants in richmond, but not as co-owners. Dublin city given tenancy would by ideal if it meant we could get funding for the Richer. Shels will go to Tallaght

**BohDiddley** · 06/05/2006, 4:16 PM

Odd that ground-sharing is being raised even in the context of Castleknock.
Ground-sharing with Shels was the bogey man that was used, by chance or by design, to loosen up members to agree to leave Dalymount. It was a false either-or, but it worked.

Whatever the Bohs board may say about keeping options open, after last Thursday's sacrifice they are well aware that any groundshare, in the sense of equal partnership, of a new stadium (if it happens) would not be a runner. We are just about at the edge of our natural community, and of our tolerance for further compromise.

I think that the big winners in all of this will be the wise old heads at Pats. With Shels and shams in Tallaght, Pats will be the sole traditional Dublin team in need of investment in their ground, and by that time this nonsensical doctrine of only putting public money into shared stadia may be dead. In any case, I'd like that to happen: it'd be great if, after all the shenanigans, tradition and community were to win out, even if it is south of the river.