Bohs should set up six or seven entrances and charge 1.75 for passing through. They'd make a killing.Originally Posted by kdjaC
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Proposed place for the ground, please dont play your games on friday nights, jesus the traffic there is crazy as is
kdjac
The issue was derbies over 10,000. 6,000 isn't over 10,000. All Dublin derbies to date have been comfortably staged in the respective clubs' grounds. That's the whole point of them having a ground in the first place.
Eh?!Where's the money to build the ground in the first place going to come from?! That money would be better spent elsewhere, such as upgrading all 22 grounds. There is no need for a 20,000 capacity ground in Ireland.
It'll cost a lot more to run a 20,000 seater stadium rather than a 10,000 so why build it if it's only going to be full once every so often.
10,000 seems adequate to me.
If you build it they will come. this could be the breakthrough the league has been waiting for. a two teir state of the art stadium may just motivate the barstoolers to go to a game or two, once they've seen that the eL is not shyte they'll be back!!
Surely they saw the EL wasn't ****e when 25k saw Shels play well against Depor after beating Hadjuk.
How many of them came back for league games though?
I'm what? I'm ants at a picnic?
6000 Bohs and, i dunno 3000 Rovers .... alright 9000 but there you go. And lads .... when a club is forecasting should it factor in growth, improvement, expansion .... in the hope that more fans would come. Clubs should always look at increasing fanbase etc.
I was on about this developer buildin Bohs new ground, Bohs would just turn up when it done and thats that kinda thing. If you are on about the gov and building a stadium etc. then i agree ... develop eL grounds first.Eh?!
Now ..... having seen where the ground is ...... i think forget it ..... its a mess. Right next to the motorway .... OF COURSE they want to get rid of it ..... what else could they put in there ? The only other thing they could put there is a graveyard ffs. That plot of land is like a bad smell for them, they are jumping at the chance to get rifd of it ..... resell value if Bohs had to move .... wait for it ...... are you waiting ....... you guessed it ...... ZERO
I think once again we've found out that eL club will never get a free meal. How much room is there for parking, development, training pitches, anything.
Bohs bars do fairly well at the moment .... who'll be dropping in for a quick pint in the new place ... not on your life. People AVOID like the plague that part of Dublin ..... people have developed a psychotic hatred for that plaza. That is probably the worst place in Dublin to put something that relies on people coming out on supporting them through thick and thin.
Last edited by A face; 02/05/2006 at 1:47 PM.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
On the surface, it sounds like good business for all involved.
Very similar to what we are doing. Developer pays up front by building the new stadium for us and when it is completed we move into the new ground and they develop Finn Park.
More than you think. How many of those 24k were fans of other clubs who came to support an eL side in Europe?
There was a lot of eL support that evening! But on the other hand there was many barstoolers as well.
Who Cares?!
Way over the top. About 5000 is the tops for Bohs-Rovers in recent years. There's room for twice that in Dalyer and Tolka, so no need for a 20,000 capacity ground.
Dalymount is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Economics 101.
Dublin clubs couldn't get 10k+ at a none CL game if they gave away free tickets.
eL clubs need new bigger stadia for the facilties that would bring in & not the extra seats.
Our stadium at present has 8,000 seats on three sides. Three of the four sides are falling down. The proposal is for a 10,000 seater stadium although I think something in the region of 12,500 seats would be perfect for the reason that it would be able to hold FAI Cup Final Games that Tolka held previously with 10,000 seats. It could of course hold B-Internationals seeing as they are about to be brought back into vogue, it could hold outdoor concerts etc. and God forbid we can actually do something useful with the money if we made it through a couple of rounds of Europe and landed a decent side, we would be most able to play the game at home!
Of course I understand that we would not come near to filling 10,000 seats in a normal league campaign however we were getting gates of between 5,000 and 7,000 only a few years ago when our players were actually earning their wages and we were winning some silverware. I think a state of the art facility will encourage a lot of these punters back and with a few quid invested in the playing side, we may be in a position to retain this support over a longer period of time. Remember - Bums on seats is money.
I got no lips I got no bones where there
were eyes there's only space
cup semi a few years ago in pox park had 12,000.
next year in tolka wasnt all that far behind. it does happen, bearing in mind the 3/4 games a season has impacted on the crowd
I reckon a Bohs V Rovers cup final would get well more than 10k at it especially this year.
But that's beside the point. This thread has dissolved into an utterly pointless debate. The fact of the matter is that Bohemians have no use for a stadium greater than 10'000. It is 5 times our average support when we are doing badly and 2 times our average support when we do well. There is plenty of scope to increase our core support massively without burdoning the infrastructure and should the unlikely event occur that 10'000 people want to see Bohs (or any Irish team) week-in week-out then the proposed new stadium is capable of being expanded to 20'000. Any glamour games that bring the barstoolers out, like Shels vrs Depor, can be moved to Landsdowne.
After that, Bohs have no obligation to cater for B Internationals Cup finals or any other For-the-Good-of-football type stuff. Not a penny of public money is going into the ground so we can have it exactly the way we want it without any guilty conscience. If this happens for us, and Droghedas new stadium comes on line, it looks like there will be plenty of competition between modern facilities to hold the flagship games like cup finals B internationals etc. Not to mention what happens in Tallaght which is still up in the air I suppose.
Cogito ergo Bohs
Better to have 10k stadium with 2k ticketless people queuing outside for the odd big game than 20k stadium that has 8k seats empty even for big game.
Yeah, suppose you're right.
But on the new stadium .... right next to the toll plaza .... crazy idea. Bohs could buy a site and build themselves in a better area for cheaper right now.
Stupid move imo .... the worst traffic problem in Europe and Bohs are moving right next to the worst part of it ?? I cannot figure that out. To say that theres no othr developer out there that cant do better actually seems mad to me. Have Bohs even asked around? I mean have Bohs even investigated themselves, i dont mean just spoke to people who arrived at their doorstep.
The one really good asset they have, they are getting rid of to go to a place where people cant get to? That developer cant believe his luck on this one .... he builds a stadium on a dud plot of land that no one would ever want and they get on of the most valuable pieces of land in the City with unbelievably massive potenial ..... and see nothing wrong with that??
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
how do you know we havent. I suggest you shut up talking sh1te about something you know absolutely nothing about
Have ye ?
Simple question ..... 'yes' or 'no' will do ... what say you ??
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
come on face, even i know they did their homework here and it wasnt the only offer on the table. the reality is someone is swapping bohs a completed stadium, €2m sweetner cash and up to €10m later for the site of a stadium they have let fall into decay and cant even begin to afford to bring up to scratch.
if the only thing wrong is the locations lack of public transport AT THE MOMENT, id say the gypos have fluked themselves a cracking deal here, beating in mind the sum of their ambition until now was to chose to build a stand for their members and the rest of us were left to rot on an old terrace with no bogs.
rovers established in tallaght and challenging, bohs in their new place challenging, 10,000 is very doable!
the bsc hiding in fields and swimming across the liffey for their lives! cant wait to see that one
Well you could look at it as worse traffic problem. On the other hand, maybe people would sooner go and watch Bohs than be stuck on the M50 in traffic?
After all they would probably end up at home around the same time
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