NI Passports

[Gather round]

Derry City Council by party:

SDLP 14
SF 10
DUP 5
UUP 1

To REVIP: Audit Bureau of Circulation figures suggest the Times's 117,000 is about 18% of Irish sales of Irish daily newspapers (ie not counting local editions of British papers). 150,000 Protestants is about 4% of the population of the state. Their figures cover Ireland as a whole, but the Times doesn't have high sales in NI- unionists have their own papers.

[Krstic]

What is the political make up of DCC? Can you lobby the politicians on that matter? Isn't Derry more of a soccer city than GAA? If these guys come looking for your vote, politely remind them of this.

Sadly people in Northern Ireland don't consider real issues when voting time comes around.

It's back to the trenches and pick your colour.

[Not Brazil]

A couple of points;

Find myself agreeing with the IFA


the continued illegal occupation of the NE Ulster 'theme park';

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Gonzo,

You are agreeing with the IFA about what exactly?

Who continues to illegally occupy NE Ulster?

[pól-dcfc]

Gonzo you are definitly WUM number 1 on this forum.

[Thunderblaster]

Derry City Council by party:

SDLP 14
SF 10
DUP 5
UUP 1

Thanks for that info.

[pól-dcfc]

Your post had little if any relevence to what was being discussed.

Wind Up pure and simple

[David]

Given the post was deleted for reasons of 'diplomacy';You can hardly then argue this,FFS.
& I accept what A Face says more readily, than people who take 'offence' so easily they are so unwilling to post any response as their sensibilities are so affected re.any 'controversial' topic.


Even the Northern politicians are more flexible in their outlook than some on here.

I complained to admin rather than get involved in a political debate on here, it is after all a football forum and I certainly found of the stuff you had on there offensive and definetely irrelevant to the thread.

[Not Brazil]

Just let's say if you can't work it out there's no point me explaining.

I see.

You were expressing a prejudiced (political) opinion rather than stating (political) fact.

Here's a fact for you.

The IFA permit players to travel on whatever passport they choose, whether it be British or Irish.

If people are going to attempt to score cheap political points, could they at least get their facts straight?

Thanks.

[Not Brazil]

NB, Merely expressing my opinion.
Didn't say it should be written in stone & no doubt the IFA, like most FA's, will make up the rules as they go along anyway. Also, not all 'Prods'. on the island of Ireland think & act like a certain bunch of unrepresentative bigots in the North. Now that is fact!

I merely point out that your opinion does not constitute fact.

With regards to the passports issue, ie the substance of the thread, the IFA permit players to travel on either British or Irish passports.

As for you comments about "Prods", I fail to see any relevence whatsoever it has to the discussion, and am at a loss as to fathom out why you added them.

I care not what religion, if any, anyone is, so I would be grateful in future when you are discussing issues with me that you refrain from sectarianising the debate.

[Speranza]

Gonzo, is there any point to your continued presence on this messageboard? Allegations of City fans being "pious" and "apolitical" are getting really tedious at this stage. Throwing about word like "prods" is also going to cause offence. Do us all a favour and beat it, allowing the adults to have a serious and respectful debate.

[dcfcsteve]

I complained to admin rather than get involved in a political debate on here, it is after all a football forum and I certainly found of the stuff you had on there offensive and definetely irrelevant to the thread.

I wouldn't mind so much if Gonzo's offensiveness had a degree of sensible flow and structure behind it ! Instead we're stuck with random, dis-jointed rantings and petty abusive sentiments and terminology without even a degree of coherence or relevance to the discussion.

Tell you what Gonzo - PM me and I'll post you over 10p to run along to the shops and buy yourself some sweeties. The grown-ups are busy at the moment - we'll give you some attention in a bit, I promise......

[pól-dcfc]

Take whatever stance you like on the issue of passports gonzo, but you've dragged many totally unrelated points into this thread that should be highlighted as WUMage.

And 'largely unrepresentative of Protestants in Ireland as a whole' - fact is they are the majority of the Protestants in Ireland, so are representative. And the fair majority of 'them' have no bigotted views. Don't tar all 'prods' with the UVF/LVF brush.

[Not Brazil]

This includes personal views on my *'Protest-ant' bretheren in the North, who are largely unrepresentative of other Protestants in Ireland as a whole. Do happen to know this from extensive personal experience. As I said, a fact.
Or of course, you would all know better, as usual. How is this then somehow 'sectarianising' the debate?!
The reason I mentioned them, was a no.of other posters had earlier in the thread, in the context of their overall presence in Ireland.
Or maybe collective amnesia has set in, before you start whinging.

Have you a relevent point you wish to make, or do you just want to continue sectarianising the debate with your bigoted opinions and sweeping generalisations about Northern "Prods"?

PS.
Going back on topic;the reason Passports are so contentious, is they represent nationality, an issue neither 'side' of the majority in the North will readily relinquish.

Though anyone not taking a cosy PC stance on this with an opposing view, this somehow makes them a 'WUM', FFS. Get real.

What exactly is your "opposing view", and who exactly are you opposing?

Have you bothered to read the thread at all?

[Not Brazil]

Having been in close proximity to this august body, please illustrate how my opinions are 'bigoted'? & how the debate has been sectarianised?!

What "august body"?

Why are you talking about religious persuasion?...it has no relevance to the debate, as far as I can ascertain.

If people bothered to read what was said & bothered to put their own personal paranoia/blinkers & the infamous 'Ulster moral high ground' to one side they might realise what had been said?

What are you on about?

I asked you about your opposing view, and whom you were opposing.

Are you going to elaborate, or not?

[dcfcsteve]

Gonzo - has your computer got a virus or something ? You're either reading a different thread than everyone else on here, or you're seeing posts and issues that don't exist.

Your postings seem to get more rambling and insane with time.

If you've something constructive to add to the debate - fine. If you're looking to wield an axe about your perception of northern protestants, then I suggest you look elsewhere. Meanwhile, stop banging on about thoroughly irrelevant issues such as southern protestants and "august bodies" (I thought it was May...?) and responding in a bizarre, unconnected and unintelligible manner. This is a football thread in a football forum. You're very difficult to take seriously as anything other than a WUM....

[pól-dcfc]

In your opinion.

As for the 'P'-word, unless you have personal experience of being one, I would humbly suggest your interpretation of the 'facts' re.their Southern representatives is seriously misguided.

Doubtless in your pious over-sensitivity, you will perceive this as a wind-up!

What part of my post was opinion?

Ulster Prods are the majority of Protestants in all Ireland. You continually bring irrelevancy into this thread - for example your "august body".

What Southern representatives have I mentioned? As for piety - you won't find a less religious person than me, and although I wish it was the case, I'm not a God, nor do I consider myself one.

Surely you can see that every other poster on this thread has pulled you up on irrelevance?

[dcfcsteve]

I'll leave you to it peeps. If you don't understand(or don't want to), fair enough.
Not saying you're right mind.

There's only one person on this thread who doesn't seem to understand or have a clue what's going on Gonzo.

Close the door after yourself there....

[Speranza]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/5016872.stm

This ruling begs the question, who do FIFA think they are? They recognised the difference in football and politics when they ruled that Billy Boys e.t.c could be ignored because it was outside their jurisdiction. This ruling contravenes the GFA and makes the idea of sovereignty dead.

I hope the players with Irish passports do the sensible thing and refuse to play.

[Not Brazil]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/5016872.stm

This ruling begs the question, who do FIFA think they are? They recognised the difference in football and politics when they ruled that Billy Boys e.t.c could be ignored because it was outside their jurisdiction. This ruling contravenes the GFA and makes the idea of sovereignty dead.

I hope the players with Irish passports do the sensible thing and refuse to play.

You will note, lest there be any confusion, that this a FIFA decision...not an IFA decision.

It is bitterly disappointing.

FIFA have been fulsome in their praise of the IFA's "Football For All" campaign, under the sterling stewardship of Michael Boyd...this decision flies in the face of what the IFA are trying (honourably) to do.

[Krstic]

Very strange.

Surely you don't need a passport in order to be a citizen of a country???

I don't have a British passport, but I was born in Northern Ireland so surely the British Government recognise me as British ( Even if I don't )

Or have FIFA now cleared it up once and for all, anyone without a Passport is a non-national