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**dahamsta** · 07/04/2006, 9:15 AM

Saying "FACT" does not actually make it a fact Drumcondra Red. If it's a "fact", where's the evidence? Sounds like a figure trotted out by an Oirish Del Boy to me, and parrotted by others until someone quotes it on a message board as FACT. In capital letters, cos it's extra true.

**Macy** · 07/04/2006, 9:18 AM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

Sounds like a figure trotted out by an Oirish Del Boy to me...

Oirish Arthur Daley, surely?

**anto1208** · 07/04/2006, 9:45 AM

dahamsta my point was they are safer for the passengers thats the one im argueing ,as for other road users i find it amuzing some one driving a huge old 5 series bmw is arguing about road safety , do you really think if that moster hit a kid crossing the road that the kid would have a better of a chance of surviving than if he got hit by a jeep .I find it more amuzing that we are arguing over which car is SAFER to get knocked down by .(allthough 3 out of the 5 points i mentioned do affect other road users safety)

But as you admit they are safer for the passengers so then it makes perfect sence to asume that if everyone was inside a jeep they would all be safer as the majority of deaths are due to vehicle collisions not knocking people down .

on the mpg I said my jeep gives better mpg than MY car i didnt say all suvs will give you better mpg ,if you wish to debate a point tackle the one i actually address .

1 other small point my japaneese jeep has a turbo which when you put the boot down recycles the exhaust to give more power rather than the car which increases the amount of petrol pumped to the engine to give the required power , thus reducing the mpg in the car and increasing the mpg in the jeep . both are in perfect condition and are highly tuned to give the best possible performance .

ill ingore the nonsence about the grandkids because your talkign bull , if the earth had 50 years with out any greenhouse gasses being pumped out it would be a much cleaner healthier place to live ,

**dahamsta** · 07/04/2006, 9:59 AM

Originally Posted by anto1208

dahamsta my point was they are safer for the passengers thats the one im argueing

Against yourself. Hello?

do you really think if that moster hit a kid crossing the road that the kid would have a better of a chance of surviving than if he got hit by a jeep

I don't think, I know; because I've seen images of both SUVs and regular passenger vehicles hitting crash test dummies, and the SUV creates a higher chance of death or serious injury because of the way it's designed. If they have trendy bull bars, it's higher again.

But as you admit they are safer for the passengers so then it makes perfect sence to asume that if everyone was inside a jeep

You're seriously arguing that we should all be driving SUVs? No, seriously?

on the mpg I said my jeep gives better mpg than MY car i didnt say all suvs will give you better mpg ,if you wish to debate a point tackle the one i actually address .

Everyone here is intelligent enough to know that you were using your own example as a silly proof of a larger argument, trying to cover up the silliness now is just... silly.

1 other small point my japaneese jeep has a turbo which when you put the boot down recycles the exhaust to give more power rather than the car which increases the amount of petrol pumped to the engine to give the required power , thus reducing the mpg in the car and increasing the mpg in the jeep .

Please tell me you're not trying to argue that a turbo increases economy. If not, what are you trying to tell me?

ill ingore the nonsence about the grandkids because your talkign bull

You should be in the Dail. No, really.

adam

**anto1208** · 07/04/2006, 10:50 AM

Again great responce dont try to argue your point or prove any points wrong make silly childish remarks instead

of course a turbo increases economy thats the point of them , if you had to deliver the same power using just the normal petrol /air mix you would burn twice as much as a car that uses the allready burnt exhaust to deliver the power .
twice the petrol = twice the cost .its like im talking to a woman here

im not saying we should all drive suv's my point is if everyone in a crash situation was in a suv and not say a micra the number of fatalities would drop dramaticly stop being a smart arse .

i made a point about my own cars as they are the only ones i can safely say ive tested ,but again great responce .

also before you have a go at people driving large cars that guzzle gas !! have a look at your 5 series BMW !!!!! FFS

**paul_oshea** · 07/04/2006, 11:08 AM

lads just pull down yer pants and let magicme deicide who has the bigger one.....

**anto1208** · 07/04/2006, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

lads just pull down yer pants and let magicme deicide who has the bigger one.....

i give up i need my jeep for driving through fields and across building sites !! a car wouldnt be able to manage that , plus im not going to listen to someone who chooses to drive a massive 13 year old BMW 5 series when all his driving is done on roads he could easily drive a hybrid or even a little 1 litre if he was that concerned about global warming and road safety .

**dahamsta** · 07/04/2006, 12:00 PM

Anto, I'm sorry, but you're talking out your hat.

The sole point of a turbo is to increase power. Nothing is recycled, the gases from the exhaust are simply used to spin a turbine, which compresses the air going into the combustion chamber. This results in more fuel being burned in the mix, which leads directly to worse fuel economy. You can read about turbos here:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

Also, no-one said you didn't need your SUV. If you really believe that, you need to re-read the thread. What you're doing there is called deflection; I've already asked you to stop doing that, because it's a waste of time.

And finally, I've already admitted a certain liability in driving a 5 series, so you don't need to highlight it. I try to make up for my naughtiness in other ways, like recycling. I'm a car nut, we all have our faults. However I'm not arguing that performance saloons are more fuel efficient or better than regular passenger cars. Because that would be silly.

adam

**strangeirish** · 07/04/2006, 2:51 PM

The best and most efficient turbo I've seen in years....

**paul_oshea** · 07/04/2006, 3:38 PM

quality

**Drumcondra Red** · 07/04/2006, 4:33 PM

Ok, lets look at this again, if its imported from a UK dealer, directly, fine, it should be ok, most UK imports are clocked, why? They can't be sold in the UK and can come here easily and not be fully checked over, that is fact!

I never said Irish cars aren't clocked, there are many dodgy traders out there, small back road ones that should be avoided but to say that dealerships are doing it? Bollo.x, its not worth it!

I originally brought this up to let you know what your getting into, and I hope you import a good decent car, but to try to make me look like a liar because you don't agree with me??? I'm not looking for your business, I don't need it, just offering advice thats all...

Anyway Eire06 any help wanted or you need a car sourced pm me