Owen Garvan profiled in the Guardian

[drummerboy]

I've no doubt the likes of Ipswich chew up and spit out as many Irish players that don't make the grade as the bigger clubs. You're still only hearing about the ones that make the first team squad.

Possibly. That particular year, I think they signed 4 from Home Farm, Garvan, Supple, Synnott and an other. All still there though. However, a Cork lad who scored a goal in the FA Youth Cup final last year, Cathal Lordon is being released in the summer, probably join his brother at Cork City. Another lad named Nash who has played in the first team is also been released because of persistent injuries. My point is that at least the smaller club will give them a better chance to progress.

[Stuttgart88]

It depends Stuttgart, It was careless if he was including Keane Reid and Kelly and Yeates in that but if he was just including Dawson, King, Jenas, Robinson, Defoe, Gardener, Carrick, Lennon, Ifil,

Yeah, he was definitely including the Irish. I think he mentioned names and included Robbie & Kelly. But no big deal, it was just a careless remark, not a statement of imperial sovereignty! I've a pal from the north of England who maintains that I'm not "foreign". Of course he knows I'm Irish, but we also have a Belgian pal who knocks around with us and he definitely is "foreign". For example, my Belgian mate needs every cultural or regional nuance explained to him, and every reference to 70s English football or Boys From The Blackstuff or Brookside or whatever explained to him. In this context I don't take offence to not being seen as a foreigner & I think it's a similar benign context in which David Pleat refers to Robbie & co. as British. It's careless but not offensive in my opinion. Anyway, this is a total digression from the main thread

[livehead1]

I knew somebody would react to that Unjustified in IMHO though. I've no problem with the use of the term "British Isles". Last year Pleat said Spurs had more British players than anyone else. Now that was a careless comment. No malice in it though, not like the likes of the Daily Mail who still to this day refer to The British Lions. That old chestnut I suppose!

i think it may also have been pleat who said earlier this season how great it was to have a team playing at that level and the whole starting 11 to be british. Even though Alan Dunne and Barry Cogan were playing. If i'm wrong and it wasn't pleat, i apologise, but it was said.

[livehead1]

Yeah, he was definitely including the Irish. I think he mentioned names and included Robbie & Kelly. But no big deal, it was just a careless remark, not a statement of imperial sovereignty! I've a pal from the north of England who maintains that I'm not "foreign". Of course he knows I'm Irish, but we also have a Belgian pal who knocks around with us and he definitely is "foreign". For example, my Belgian mate needs every cultural or regional nuance explained to him, and every reference to 70s English football or Boys From The Blackstuff or Brookside or whatever explained to him. In this context I don't take offence to not being seen as a foreigner & I think it's a similar benign context in which David Pleat refers to Robbie & co. as British. It's careless but not offensive in my opinion. Anyway, this is a total digression from the main thread

whether it is offensive or not is certainly down to personal opinion. With every type of offence, there will be those who are offended, and those who are not.

[Stuttgart88]

how great it was to have a team playing at that level and the whole starting 11 to be british.

At what level? Millwall's? My, how their standards have fallen

[livehead1]

At what level? Millwall's? My, how their standards have fallen

yeh, they must be desperate if they have 11 'brits' playing!

[Bungle]

barrett had two career threatening injuries during a period at arsenal,when he was beginning to make the first team squad.i recall Wenger saying that Barrett was a player that "could replace Dennis(Bergkamp)".He captained an outstanding Arsenal youth team to victory in the F.A Youth Cup where no less a judge than Brian Glanville said he was the best player on the pitch by a distance and that he looked an Arsenal player in waiting.Graham's situation before he got injured,reminds me of that of Stokes's now.Both are top class for their age,but are at a club,that can spend 15 million in an instant.
There is a very valid point to be made about joining clubs like Ipswich or Norwich over Arsenal or Chelsea.

[ken foree]

never seen garvan play but pleat's assessment that he has the distinction from other players born on "them two islands" to be able to shield and create time and space for himself unhurriedly is, i hope, very very true. god how cool it would be to have another passer/creator a la brady

[paul_oshea]

ok well sorry for digressing again but just back on browsing and in reference to whether its a geographical rather than a political and in relation to stuts point, here is a mail i received from a mate of mine, who is an ipswich fan and was born and bred in east anglia:

"Look mate you should know the rules the media use by now. If an Irish man is a ‘good’ Irish man then he is from the British Isles; if he is a ‘bad’ Irish man then he is from Ireland"

[geysir]

god how cool it would be to have another passer/creator a la brady

He has already been cursed with the Brady comparison, so far there has been no recovery.

[ken foree]

He has already been cursed with the Brady comparison, so far there has been no recovery.

i'm not so late to the garvan gala that i haven't read the brady comparisons before and nor do i see anything wrong in hoping for the boy to become his successor

[SeanieBoy]

Is the British Isles not a geographical term like the Irish Sea as opposed to a political one?

"Due to the implications of the use of the adjective British, this nomenclature is not universally accepted, even within the archipelago"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles

[Irish_Praha]

Wikipedia
It's possible to for any Tom, Dick or Harry to edit the pages on there, be very careful about using it as a reference.

Look here, that page has been changed 50 times in the last weeks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges

[Plastic Paddy]

Boys and girls, I'm as sensitive to this particular naming issue as anyone around here (I prefer IONA myself ) but any more discussion of this ilk in this thread and I'll have to get the mod scissors out. Back on topic please.

PP

[geysir]

i'm not so late to the garvan gala that i haven't read the brady comparisons before and nor do i see anything wrong in hoping for the boy to become his successor

As long as you don't see anything wrong if he just turns out to be Owen Garvan playing pro football in the 2nd tier alongside Stephen Mc Phaill

[ken foree]

As long as you don't see anything wrong if he just turns out to be Owen Garvan playing pro football in the 2nd tier alongside Stephen Mc Phaill

not at all, why would i

[Stuttgart88]

Jokes aside Geysir, I think Garvan already has far more of a physical presence than McPhail which augurs well.

[livehead1]

Jokes aside Geysir, I think Garvan already has far more of a physical presence than McPhail which augurs well.

mcphail is playing well in a very physical league, i dont think it was his build, more his desire.

[Kingdom]

mcphail is playing well in a very physical league, i dont think it was his build, more his desire.

Or maybe we just hype any youngfella with a bit of talent up unbelievably so, and they aren't as good as we actually thought they were?

[geysir]

Jokes aside Geysir, I think Garvan already has far more of a physical presence than McPhail which augurs well.

Probably that's why he has also been dubbed the next Stephen Gerrard.
Jokes aside, he must be close to the ultimate prize, the call from Stan to join the national squad.