Intervarsities

**YoungHoop** · 20/03/2006, 8:55 AM

now that this leauge is finished are their any Keepers who would like to join a team in the prem A ladys dublin football leauge? please pm or post a reply if their is thanks .. assistant gaffer!

**Henry14** · 21/03/2006, 11:25 AM

I would be interested to find out how many of you so called know it alls were at the intervarsites two years ago in galway when UCD wouldn't play extra time in the cup semi final against Sligo because of the pitch and the rules were thrown out the window again for UCD who got what they wanted and were allowed play the next morning but still lost. Last year in castlebar when UCD also lost in the semi final to Sligo they chanted for Ul and Jeered sligo so people have to look back over what they are saying. There was very few sligo supporters at the as some of them left. As a Sligo girl herself was playing for Ul maybe they felt like supporting their own. No one jeered when Michelle Ryan made an awlful tackle as it was wreckless and could have badly hurt the player. What bad treatment had UCD got at the dinner. If it was the fact that Sligo and UL cheered for each other that was on the basis of cheering for the league and intervarsities champions as with last year UCD didn't join in as they were spiteful. UL and Sligo had also bonded well on the night which is what the weekend is all about as well as the football. I feel as a student who attended a I.T it is a disgrace for UCDtillIdie to say students at an I.T have a lower intellectual level that those in Universities. All students who make it to third level are a credit no matter wheather it is a Uni or I.T. If the WSCAI didn't stand on UL's sideline they would have been standing on UCD's they cant win really so that is unfair to judge them on where they stand.

**Henry14** · 21/03/2006, 11:34 AM

I also forgot to say last year a team pulled out of the competition and they were not replaced instead they group they were in played each other twice. I wonder why it was different this year oh ye because it was UCD getting into the competition.

**greenumbro** · 21/03/2006, 8:40 PM

Maybe there wasn't a team there to reaplce that team last year? UCD should never have been"kicked out" of the t'ment in the first place anyway so I think it was only right that they got the chance to play. Regards "bonding" the UCD girls would have loved to have stayed and got the chance to bond with the other girls/teams but the fact that the t'ment was being held in DCU made this virtually impossible(much to the UCD girls disappoinment....) Especialy with two days notice!!!!

At the dinner, no other team cheered on Ul or Sligo but themselves/eachother, so why are UCD being pointed out?! When the "all-stars" were being announced, I can tell you for a fact that every UCD girl applauded every other player who was called up however when it came to a UCD girl being called, the room went considerable quite, as the two loudest tables (let u guess which two) suddenly queitened down noticably...??? I thought this was very unfair on that player who I have heard is an international so most likely did deserve that all star so why the mistreatment???? That girl is a first yr so any trouble that may have gone before.... Should it affect her now?

**nalsa** · 21/03/2006, 10:27 PM

The title of your post is 'get your facts straight' henry14,maybe you should try and get your own right first??? I was at the intervarsities two years actually playing for UCD and was on the pitch at the end of the match, and the decision to call off the match was entirely the referee's. He said it was unplayable and refused to let us continue as it would be risking someone getting injured. The rules of the WSCAI stated in this event that 20 minutes extra-time must be played and then penalities. So it was ridiculous for UCD to demand this was it? Meanwhile Francis the muppet ranted and raved saying it was all UCD's fault the match was being called off. That night the committee of the WSCAI met with Francis and Pat our manager then and agreed extra-time had to be played the next day because that was the rules?!! How that can be perceived as siding with UCD I don't know. As regards Castlebar last year I was also there and sat amongst UCD players and I think I might know who we were cheering for? Maz scored a hatrick as I recall and we gave her a standing ovation. At the dinner we were ****ed down the back of the room so what did you want us to do? If other colleges don't cheer you don't make a big deal of it but when its UCD we are 'spiteful' are we? We clapped everyone but we don't need to stand on chairs and act like yobs to display our sportsmanship. And I believe the point collegetillIdie, not UCD by the way funny how you associate those three words with bad vibes, is that it happened to be both IT's that jeered us, and they did jeer the girl on the ground I was 2 feet away. He also said people from Inchicore who do plc courses did not jeer so I hardly think it was sweeping statement equation level of intellect to behaviour.
So if you don't mind henry14 get your own facts straight before spouting off.

**Countryripple** · 22/03/2006, 8:53 AM

Gosh guys, I never realised there were such bad feelings going on between some of the colleges in the league. Im a bit stumped.

**Henry14** · 23/03/2006, 5:53 PM

Yes we did clap for nicky sinnott when she got the award she well deserves it as she is a very good player. College till I die who is a huge UCD support may I add made referance to the intelligance of students from I.T's as being not as high as the standard of universities. UL and Sligo did not cheer themselves alone many other teams also cheered includind ITT and Inchicore. This is sportman ship with the want for a better term. each player was applauded on there All Star the room did not go quite when Nicky Sinnott got her's as a number of her fellow international and past provincial players were in the room and were delighted to see her get an All Star ( me being one of those people. I think UCD have brought on this notion of people hating them themselves and are their own worse enemy. When UCD lost the final they walked off the pitch straight away without waiting for the cup to be given to UL. How was this sportsmanship.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 23/03/2006, 7:18 PM

Originally Posted by greenumbro

Maybe there wasn't a team there to replace that team last year? UCD should never have been"kicked out" of the t'ment in the first place anyway so I think it was only right that they got the chance to play. Regards "bonding" the UCD girls would have loved to have stayed and got the chance to bond with the other girls/teams but the fact that the t'ment was being held in DCU made this virtually impossible(much to the UCD girls disappoinment....) Especialy with two days notice!!!!

At the dinner, no other team cheered on Ul or Sligo but themselves/eachother, so why are UCD being pointed out?! When the "all-stars" were being announced, I can tell you for a fact that every UCD girl applauded every other player who was called up however when it came to a UCD girl being called, the room went considerable quite, as the two loudest tables (let u guess which two) suddenly queitened down noticably...??? I thought this was very unfair on that player who I have heard is an international so most likely did deserve that all star so why the mistreatment???? That girl is a first yr so any trouble that may have gone before.... Should it affect her now?

I am more inclined to accept greenumbro and nalsa's version of events than yours henry14 as I have had a first hand account related to me by someone who has not posted on this particular thread yet.
As regards the point about Leinster Division teams entering the Intervarsities, any member College of the WSCAI is entitled to enter once they complete the application forms and send in the fee.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 23/03/2006, 7:35 PM

[QUOTE=Henry14]I feel as a student who attended a I.T it is a disgrace for UCDtillIdie to say students at an I.T have a lower intellectual level that those in Universities. All students who make it to third level are a credit no matter wheather it is a Uni or I.T. If the WSCAI didn't stand on UL's sideline they would have been standing on UCD's they cant win...[QUOTE=Henry14]

It was a joke for crying out loud did you not see this symbol

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The comment was intended to highlight the bad sportsmanship as reported accurately from what my source tells me displayed by I.T. Sligo's contingent who did not seem to be able to take their beating in the Semi-final the day before. And yes any student that makes it to third level and or has the initiative to go to a PLC and make the most of themselves deserves credit for that!

As regards the WSCAI executive ..Some of them standing behind each goal would answer your final point

**greenumbro** · 23/03/2006, 7:43 PM

Thanks for clarifying the entrance requirments anyway.... I wasn't sure (as I said) just heard that there some kind of rule there that only certain could enter....

Another thing that upset the UCD girls was that in the programme, every team was mentioned and had there picturs/profiles in the programme other than UCD!!!! When the original forms were sent out for the varsities(prior to all the controversy!) UCD were the only team to send back in their form and team profile by te origianl closing date(Ironic eh?!) HOWEVER, UCD were then the only team not to have a mention in the booklet!? The original thought was maybe that there wasn't time BUT YET there WAS time to change the fixtures and include UCD in the groups and stages??? Strange.....

In fairness Henry14, it was not every member that didn't appauld Nikki(I never said that....) as there was some appreciation for what a great player she is but do u not agree that she did not get as rapsurish appaulding as for every other player????

**CollegeTillIDie** · 23/03/2006, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by greenumbro

Thanks for clarifying the entrance requirments anyway.... I wasn't sure (as I said) just heard that there some kind of rule there that only certain could enter....

Another thing that upset the UCD girls was that in the programme, every team was mentioned and had there picturs/profiles in the programme other than UCD!!!! When the original forms were sent out for the varsities(prior to all the controversy!) UCD were the only team to send back in their form and team profile by te origianl closing date(Ironic eh?!) HOWEVER, UCD were then the only team not to have a mention in the booklet!? The original thought was maybe that there wasn't time BUT YET there WAS time to change the fixtures and include UCD in the groups and stages??? Strange.....

In fairness Henry14, it was not every member that didn't appauld Nikki(I never said that....) as there was some appreciation for what a great player she is but do u not agree that she did not get as rapsurish appaulding as for every other player????

Well I can only surmise that the players details were removed from the programme when UCD were turfed out of the Intervarsities on a technicality.One of the good things about Universities soccer is that the Colleges IT's and PLC's by and large have to take what the CAO send them in terms of playing talent.

Nicola Sinnott has played for her country at Under 17 and Under 19 level and is a terrific player.

**greenumbro** · 24/03/2006, 10:16 AM

Yea, that's probably true, that the were removed but why weren't tehy put back in? They had time to put UCD into the fixtures etc so why not take the extra 5 mins and do the job properly..... Oh cos its UCD thats y!?

**Countryripple** · 24/03/2006, 10:42 AM

OK. At this point I think the whole UCD selfpity regime is getting quite boring. UCD could not have been the only team to get all the application stuff in on time, cos that would mean that everybody elses was late. My own college was told it arrived a day late, so if that was the case and if as you say everyone elses was, why were we the only team ont allowed in on this basis?

Anyway, I dont want to get into a discussion about who has been punished the most by this whole affair. The majority, if not all, Universitys, IT's and PLC Colleges have at some time or another been screwed over by the WSCAI. At the end of the day, we can all rattle off our bad experiences and unfair treatment, but ulitmately it is action that needs to be taken by people like us. Everything we have been talking about is now in the past. Can we not forget these silly grudges between teams and all get active in the regeneration of the WSCAI and the positive promotion of this league throughout the country.

**Henry14** · 24/03/2006, 11:25 AM

Someone asked for someone from It Sligo to explain and that is what I am doing. The reson Nicky didn't get as big a cheer for the all star was because maybe UCD did not have a big a contingent there that night. Yes we did cheer loudly for our own as did UL, Inchcore and Tralee thats what your suppose to do. The other colleges were in the programme becuse they had the material in and were in the competition when it went to print. When it went to print UCD were not in the competition. The comment about the WSCAI having to stand behind the goals to try watch the match so as not to offend the other teams is a joke. Who would stand behind the goals this has been taken out of context totally it was never a problem any other year of where they stand.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 24/03/2006, 7:57 PM

Originally Posted by Henry14

Someone asked for someone from It Sligo to explain and that is what I am doing. The reson Nicky didn't get as big a cheer for the all star was because maybe UCD did not have a big a contingent there that night. Yes we did cheer loudly for our own as did UL, Inchcore and Tralee thats what your suppose to do. The other colleges were in the programme becuse they had the material in and were in the competition when it went to print. When it went to print UCD were not in the competition. The comment about the WSCAI having to stand behind the goals to try watch the match so as not to offend the other teams is a joke. Who would stand behind the goals this has been taken out of context totally it was never a problem any other year of where they stand.

If none of the other stuff had occurred which is leading people to believe there is an anti-UCD bias on the executive then I would agree. Justice not only has to be done, IT HAS TO BE SEEN TO BE DONE!

**CollegeTillIDie** · 24/03/2006, 7:58 PM

Originally Posted by greenumbro

Yea, that's probably true, that the were removed but why weren't tehy put back in? They had time to put UCD into the fixtures etc so why not take the extra 5 mins and do the job properly..... Oh cos its UCD thats y!?

greenumbro

Well I don't know the actual answer but your theory seems plausable

**Henry14** · 26/03/2006, 10:24 PM

It takes more than 5 minutes to make and print a programme so it was not possible to get UCD back in. It was printed before they got back into the competition.

**greenumbro** · 27/03/2006, 1:59 PM

Then why was UCD in the fixtures in the programme???!!! It was obviously printed AFTER they got back in!!!??? Can totally understand if they had been printed before hand as was expected but its evry strange that UCD were mentioned/included at the beginning, in the group stages???

**Countryripple** · 29/03/2006, 2:41 PM

Seriously, would you quit moaning!!!!! The man said it couldnt be done. It wasnt. Its in the past. Nothing can be changed about it. Now move on!!!!! Please!!!

**Breifne** · 02/04/2006, 8:36 PM

The existance of this thread was brought to my attention at the Inter Provincial tournament over the weekend.

I'd like to identify a few inaccuracies in some things that have been said here.

Firstly all UCD personnel (Players, Management and supporters) were on the pitch for the presentation of the trophy immediately after the Intervarsity Final. UCD started to leave the pitch as we had not been informed the presentation would take place on the pitch. Some of the players would have made it about twenty or thirty yards before returning for the presentation once they had been made aware of this.

The ommission from the Programme was not the fault or responsibilty of the WSCAI. This lies with the organising committee. representatives of the club did discuss this with the organising committee and are satisfied as to the reasons why we are not included. These do not need to be made public, but UCD have no problem with this omission.

Country Ripple, you seem to have picked up a mixed message from Green Umbro somewhere in regard to UCD being the only team to enter their form. The "form" in question was the submission of information (pen pics and squad photo), which is required by the rules of the WSCAI to be submitted to the organising committee four weeks prior to the start of the competition. UCD submitted this prior to this deadline. No other college with the exception of the hosts met this deadline. This was brought to the attention of the WSCAI by UCD, no action has been taken on this breach of the rules by 11 entrants to the intervarsities.

I would like to point out that I personally feel that no punishment or sanctions should be taken against any of the 11 colleges for this breach of the rules, as it had no bearing on the fundamental running of the competition. The exact same as failure to pay the refundable security deposit six weeks prior to a competition has no bearing on the running of the competition.

Incidentally, the unpaid deposit once brought to the attention of a club official at the indoor intervarsities (3 days after the deadline, but still well in advance of the competition), was offered to the WSCAI Treasurer. This was prior to the meeting which originally refused entry to the competition. This amount was paid three days later after a club meeting. (36 days prior to the competition starting).

I don't see any problem with a group of league officials standing on one side or the other. There was a decent crowd of people at the game, and from memory i can't remember anyone behind either goal. because of the poor view. Whether the venue is Lansdowne Road, Croke Park or DCU Sports Grounds most people like to be situated as close to the half way line as possible, the WSCAI executive are no different.