QuoteIt's possible Gospod Milosevic took something to counteract his heart medicine so he could get that operation in Russia. In effect accidently killing himself.Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
Lets hope Ted's busy and Dougas has to cover...
It's possible Gospod Milosevic took something to counteract his heart medicine so he could get that operation in Russia. In effect accidently killing himself.
Last edited by Poor Student; 13/03/2006 at 11:42 PM.
Ah sure do you now the Irish tradition of Story telling? Sitting around the fire with the jug of punch telling the ancient myths and legends?
In Serbia they swap conspiracy theories
possibly, but how did he get the pills?
reality is once there is even a slight glimmer of doubt about his death, which there is in abundance, he will be a martyr.
Much as I regularly find the west's positioning on virtually everything abhorant, I'm afraid that it was Milosevic who more then anyone was responsible for the break up of Yugoslavia for his own political ends. He used fears of the Kosovo Serbs, stoking up war like sentiments in the province. He used this and subsquent manouvrs to move himself to a position of power and used this eventually to remove Stambolic, the man who gave him his start in Yugoslav politics.
When he realised that Yugoslavia was becoming more and more difficult to hold together he decided that provoking dissolution af the federation rather than holding it together was the best way to hold on to and strenghten power in the area. Indeed Tudjman's rise in popularlity in Croatia can be directly attributable to the rise in Serb nationalism that Milosevic stoked up. Now allowing the provinces to go their own seperate way may seem a noble gesture on Milosevic's behalf but as he wanted to keep as many Serb's as possible in a greater Serbia he must have surely known that this could only be done by taking vast tracks of territory from Croatia and Bosnia, something that would lead to armed conflict.
Further the west were simply not really interested in Yugoslavia at the time, the US were more concerned about Iraq and as such left Europe to deal with the situation. Europe's attitude and response was hardly one of malovelence, rather one of incompetent incomperhension of the hatreds that had driven Yugoslavia to the point of no return.
Also it was Milosevic who agreed with Tudjman to partition Bosnia between Croatia and Yugoslavia not the west.
There were many factors that lead to the break up of Yugoslavia but they were largely based around politicans making their own pwer bases out of centuries of ethnis tension, something that the west did not create.
Last edited by Pat O' Banton; 15/03/2006 at 9:28 AM.
Where am I now? I'm over here,
I've got those empty pockets and I can't afford a beer.
If anyone really wants to have a good insight as to what happened in the former YU, I recommend the Serbian movie, 'Pretty Village, Pretty Flame'
made circa 1997 and subsequently banned in Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia. Absolutley panned by critics in the West for being 'pro Serb' and refused a cinema showing. Shame really, its up there with Apocalypse Now, MASH and Full Metal Jacket.
It's a classic alright !TG4 showed it a couple of years ago.
Last edited by CollegeTillIDie; 17/03/2006 at 4:13 PM.
Is there a video shop where I can purchase a copy or do I have to go via online to Amazon?
Deffo RTE should show this on a Wednesday night in light of the recent events in The Hague, but then again not and instead we'll get usual Hollywood pap that is frequently served up.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...089825-6136760
It only costs 9 Euro Partizan.
A rudimentary understanding of Serbian enhances the experience of Serbian films due to the plethora of profanities.
Channel 4 had documentary on the whole collapse of Yugoslavia, Death of Yugoslavia i think it was called... Excellent
I think this article perfectly sums up Slobo & his agenda.
http://www.antiwar.com/malic/?articleid=702
Very good article and factually correct IMO about Milosevic's view of the new 'Yugoslavia' (basically greater Serbia).
It is hard not to have sympathy with the Serbs within Croatia and Bosnia at the time of secession, although to do so one must also have sympathy with Ireland's own British citizens on the eve of partition. The question is, is it right that in parishes/districts etc. largely populated by people loyal to the state and physically bordering that state, that these people should not have the right to opt out of leaving? Also, Serbs were right, given the previous attempt at a Croatian state, to be worried.
It is clear that the legality of the FYR constitution - as is the case in any federal state - was framed in such a way as to never foresee the said state's break up. If it were, then the separation would have taken into account the nations within those breakaway states. An example of this was the 'gift' of the Crimean Peninsula to Ukraine by I think Khrushchev in the 50s. The Crimea is almost exclusively Russian and the placing of the Crimea within the Ukraine SSR was never a problem while the Ukraine was part of the Russian dominated USSR (nor of course that any demonstrations would have been tolerated). It has become a matter of grievance since the dissolution of the Soviet Union but thankfully not on the scale of Yugoslavia or Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
The same was the case within the FRY. Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia - particularly those that lived in border districts - no doubt never felt Croatian or Bosnian but were happy to live within the state that was a part of a federal structure. No attempt was ever made to redraw the lines as it was in no-one's interest. It's a shame that when the constitution was drawn up that the homogeneity of states was addressed. But then, as with the six counties, you would have had 'unfeasible' administrations.
This is the cooooooooooooolest footy forum I've ever seen!
Or to read Richard Kaplans 'Balkan Ghosts' which Bill Clinton according to the foreword was supposed to have read and it influenced his late intervention in Bosnia in 1994. Its a while since I read it but an excellent read. Sarajevo for me still haunts, an eeriness in a beautiful place is pretty strange.The pain and suffering still so obvious. Time may be a healer but I suppose you will never forget.
Brendan
Robert Kaplan ?
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