Who does the NLSA represent

**A face** · 02/03/2006, 9:31 PM

We are on the second page now and no one has suggested an alternative .... i say we devote this page to it so then !!

Right lads ... lets be havin' ya !!

Suggestions !!

**Gareth** · 02/03/2006, 9:43 PM

Request for the backing of all Supoorters clubs. Those not willing to be part of this then are not and the NLSA clearly identify who they represent, simple.

**A face** · 02/03/2006, 9:51 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

Request for the backing of all Supoorters clubs. Those not willing to be part of this then are not and the NLSA clearly identify who they represent, simple.

To my knowledge, that is exactly what is being done !!

**Gareth** · 02/03/2006, 10:52 PM

Well then, yay

Its all going to plan so. Carry on.

**NY Hoop** · 03/03/2006, 2:37 PM

Originally Posted by green-blood

NLSA = Hunter as far as the FAI are concerned, this is exactly what they want. Its not indeope ndent its being driven, directed, steered whateve you want to call it, its only a matter of ftime until some PR officer is making statements to teh press about this fans body or that fans body or bad language on the terraces.

Its toothless, pointless and sure as long as they give us some intenational tickets sure hey we're happy, thank yi master, thank yi....

GB surprised at this attitude to be honest. Unlike Hunter we have met the FAI and do represent fans and are not delusional. We have issued press releases inviting ANYBODY interested to our launch. This was posted on websites at the time.

It is totally and completely independent and transparent. To say otherwise is a put down to the ordinary EL fans who dedicate time to this. I can give you names if you want from both sides.

It is far from toothless and pointless. In fact the FAI/EL have contacted us on occasions on issues other than international tickets. Our PRO has already issued statements DENOUNCING the new league measures. Hardly been "steered" is it?

We were invited to the league launch this afternoon where we met John Delaney. Maybe irrelevant to some but they are listening I can assure you.

Incredibly I agree with Sheridan here! And that is the reason I got involved. Why not actually be a part of something that will get results for the league instead of bitching about the FAI/EL on the net?

KOH

**green-blood** · 06/03/2006, 11:20 AM

sorry lads been there, done that, run into teh brick wall, beat my head on it for a while and realised sanity comes first.

best of luck of course, and I really really really hope this wont come true, but if you are still going in 18 months witha ny influence whatsoever I'll be very suprised.

**A face** · 06/03/2006, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by green-blood

sorry lads been there, done that, run into teh brick wall, beat my head on it for a while and realised sanity comes first.

best of luck of course, and I really really really hope this wont come true, but if you are still going in 18 months with any influence whatsoever I'll be very suprised.

GB ..... if in 18 months it is running with influence will you get involved at that stage?

What do you want to achieve the first time around and where did it all fall down?

What does it have to achieve for it to be ok or worth it in your opinion?

**Buile Shuibhne** · 06/03/2006, 5:34 PM

Have to say I'm very much in agreement with Green Blood on this - NLSA strikes me very much as a quango.

Shels had only very recently withdrawn from the Lansdowne Road eL ticket scheme when NLSA was formed. I was the Shels rep in that scheme and I would have been very easy to get in touch with either through soccercental or ShelsWeb, but we were deliberately left out.

**MariborKev** · 06/03/2006, 5:45 PM

Fintan,

Messages were left on Shelsweb inviting Shels fans to NLSA meetings.

If you chose not to attend.........

But hey, blame the NLSA for that too.

**Buile Shuibhne** · 06/03/2006, 6:22 PM

a couple of general messages were posted yes - but this was well after you had gotten together. It you were serious about including Shels - you would have contacted us directly throught the eL ticket scheme at the time.

**soccerc** · 06/03/2006, 6:28 PM

Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy

a couple of general messages were posted yes - but this was well after you had gotten together. It you were serious about including Shels - you would have contacted us directly throught the eL ticket scheme at the time.

Fintan, I'll beg to differ but am not going to get involved in a who said, he said, I said debate online.

Either PM me or call as my recollection of events and invites differs!!

**Buile Shuibhne** · 06/03/2006, 6:33 PM

This was the first I heard of NLSA - after they were formed.

http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/vi...ghlight=#54313

**pineapple stu** · 06/03/2006, 6:36 PM

Mod edit : I have copied this in from the other thread as it is need here too
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Just to clear up a couple of issues (not narked at the criticism or anything, but just want to give feedback) -

1) The 14 clubs mentioned are those who were involved in the FAI ticketing scheme in the North Terrace. We don't mean to imply that the 8 others are specifically taking a non-supportive stance. The various reps have been pointed to the NLSA reps forum where they can post their views.
2) A letter is being sent out to SCs of all clubs shortly (just gathering together contact details, in fact, and it's ready to go; anyone with an SC contact e-mail or address, PM me and I'll add it). This will formally invite SCs to join, point out how to make your opinions heard, nominate a rep, etc. I would imagine this could become a sticky thread on club forums or something to keep pit in fans' minds. As A face pointed out, the NLSA is in its infancy, but the hope is that with the clubs' backing, the NLSA can make some sort of impact.
3) The make-up of the committee is irrelevant. Granted, you just have my word for it, but the committee is trying to act for the best interests of league fans in general, not for the benefit of their individual clubs. That's the point of a committee.
4) The next things on the horizon for us would be a meeting with the FAI in about April and a submission to the FAI on the new league structure. (Both these items are mentioned in the minutes). The letter mentioned above specifically mentions these items and invites views.
5) I'll acknowledge the feedback at the moment hasn't been the best. All the committee members are voluntary, etc, etc, bleeding heart and what have you. The website and the forum have been a nightmare because the server provider keeps crashing.

Hopefully things on this front will become clearer once the letter goes out. At the moment, we have a grouping whom the FAI appear very happy to sit in the same room with as we talk, at the very least. We were invited to the league launch during the week, when, as NY Hoop mentions, John Delaney specifically asked to have a quick word and say that he hoped this would move on from ticketing issues (our intention as well).
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Fintan,

The list of ticket allocations given to us by the FAI at our initial meeting with them did not include Shelbourne. However, if you want to PM me an e-mail for the Shels Supporters' Club, we will, as mentioned on this thread already, be in touch shortly to sort you out and get you on board.

**Buile Shuibhne** · 06/03/2006, 6:47 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Fintan,

The list of ticket allocations given to us by the FAI at our initial meeting with them did not include Shelbourne. However, if you want to PM me an e-mail for the Shels Supporters' Club, we will, as mentioned on this thread already, be in touch shortly to sort you out and get you on board.

The new committee for the 2006 season hasn't been elected yet, but I'm PRO on the outgoing committee - btw, my email & mobile no. was published every week in the Herald Fan Club Notes every Wednesday last year.

Shelbourne are one of the leading clubs in the eL and I find it extraordinary that they were not invited last year at the time of formation, to be one of the founding members of a national supporters association for the eL.

**pineapple stu** · 06/03/2006, 6:55 PM

But you just posted a link to a thread where they were invited!

I don't get the Herald.

**Buile Shuibhne** · 06/03/2006, 6:56 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

But you just posted a link to a thread where they were invited!

I don't get the Herald.

Yes - AFTER you were formed

**pineapple stu** · 06/03/2006, 7:01 PM

I'll say it again - Shels were not on the list of SCs given to us as being involved in the North Terrace scheme.

Nothing of note happened between June and October, when the thread was dated. In fact, the whole thing pretty much died away (we quickly put together a submission for Genesis, which many of the reps participated in, but that was it. We would have thrown the net further, but we were told Genesis were finalising their report when the FAI first informed us of it). I sent a text around to a few people who'd been involved in the Israel ticket-gate to get together for a meeting in mid-August (before the Ireland-Italy game, in fact) to see if we could get the whole thing going again. Even then, there was a delay in getting anything going - pretty much until the time of the thread above in fact.

If you take the NLSA as being concerned with more than just the North Terrace take-up, then that was really our starting point. And you were fully informed. Realistically, we're not going to get going properly until we have as many people as possible formally affiliated with us - and you're being informed of that as well.

**Poor Student** · 06/03/2006, 7:01 PM

Fintan, I must say you're behaving rather pompous and petty. Rather than wait for the NLSA to come to you, could you not make contact with it? If you're going to insist that you only found out after its formation, is your ego really that frail that you won't just go ahead and join it? The whole point of the NLSA is submerging personal interests for wider ones.

**soccerc** · 06/03/2006, 7:15 PM

Lads

Could the last ten or so posts be deleted.

Silly squabbles like this should not be in the public domain.

The PM facility of is there and should be used.

JB

**Buile Shuibhne** · 06/03/2006, 7:19 PM

Nothing to do with me personally - it's just that in recent years I'd have been one of the more prominent Shels fans on the net/media

No one in Shels know about the NLSA until October, which again I find extraordinary given the clubs prominence.

If you're serious about eventually getting in touch with the missing clubs - try looking up this Wednesday's Herald. I'm far from a fan of the rag, but for years it's been a well known reference point for all supporters club